shinda singh dee jai hovay!

I understand your frustration over namdharis, but i am really impressed by them. Sure they are NOT sikhs and i udnerstand and acknowledge that, however they provide interesting things to think about about.

Namdharis to me are like relics of the past, they have preserved their marayda so well. They keep some marayda that is going lost in our day, like, raag vidiya, respect for all three granths (im saying atleast they acknowledge aad,dasam,and sarbloh granth as bani, not guroo , but at least as bani, whereas many neo-sikhs are rejecting portions of all three), havans, etc.

They did help out us Sikhs a lot in the past, and Giani Santhok Singh Ji talks about this, and his respect for the Kookay is apparent.

About the video, preety crazy… I’ve read what Giani Santhok SIngh Ji has written about them in Sooraj Prakhash Granth i think, he talks about the kookay and how they do kirtan so crazyly to the extent of their dastaars falling off. I’ve never seen this until now, lol, and i must say i never though i would see anything that topped akj…

naamdharis + AKJ style GROOOOOOO GROOOOOO

now that would be jokessssss

last i heard the gaffer apparently was a naamdhari

Even though I am not Namdhari. This asa di var video of namdharis is all my time favourite- part of raag collection. These two old babai’s, I don’t think they are dancing but they are doing movements in spiritual trance(masti, nihal hii nihaal) mode, although i strongly beleive in sehaj avastha and against the idea of loosing sehaj in maharaj darbar while gurbani is recitten or sung. I would be little careful to make fun of them.

Regards,
Neo Singh from Sikhawareness.

you people who think they are in a spiritual trance are stupid, straight up

I especially like the new layout on your site. It is very funky.

hunjee shinda veerjee, daso…

The Kukas, a branch of the Khalsa Panth.
have shot into prominence during the last thirty years* or so.
In the ecstasy of the Sabad, they are rapturously forgetful of themselves, oblivious of their headgears falling off.
They are precisely and eminently designated as Namdharis, though because of their loud cries, they are commonly known as Kukas, Except for their turbans falling off, they remain well within the approved tradition.

- Sooraj Prakhash Granth by Mahaan Kavi Santhok Singh Ji

wooof wooof who let the dawgs outtt

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Another UK dumb ***.. Come on, you guys cant even show face to any events. Yet you continue to internet preach.

COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Substantiate your translations with images from the granth, go on I dare you to

yea, yogi bhajan and 3ho have links to naamdharis. that is scandolous. that is definetly not chardi kala. i wonder what they have to say for themselves. being close with people who openly oppose guru granth sahib as guru

whatttttt, are u serious…but naa,dharis are GOI, are u tryin to imply that so is 3ho?

3h0 is wack as well, bibian be shaving and ****

how do you know they shave? have you taken a look at their faces and legs extensively? Buddy, gorey women mostly have light blonde hair on their legs..so if it looks like they shave maybe its not so..its called ****** vellus hair..get the dif between vellus and terminal. later b

*sigh*

If only our Gudwaras had that same keertan playing with the stages packed of real raagis and not just overnight bollywood keertani’s singing along in raag and getting lost in the shabad.

yeah..apney gurdwarian daa haal sarya ya…guru sahib to illava…politics vee guru ghar vich vasdey ya..

U kids need to chill…u not gangstas u are sons and daughters of guru gobind singh…know that…emi boli janda

LOL @ whoever said that Naamdharis are only in UK and India. Theres tons of them in Canada.

So many so that they even got their own temple, in Woodbridge!

And theres a tons of naamdharis living in Castlemore and Springdale. You see them outside chilling all t the time.

And lets not forget the Narkhdharis who got their own thing going in Georgetown.

Not so much a UK, India problem now is it?? Bus aimee internet day karkoo.

there are sooooooooooo many namdharis in africa, especially kenya. my dad used to live there he said there were tons there , they even had their own gurdrawa.

so you like cussing people whos beleifs are different! What about what about mian mir! and loads of other faiths who were friends of the guru and were a big impact and developlment to sikhi! dont forget that sikhi means to learn! and by cussing you will never learn! Forgive me if i offended anyone!

but mian mir didn’t claim to be Guru or he didn’t try to take authority away from Satguru. naamdhari guru claims he is satguru and in doing so they try to take authority away from Guru Roop Punj Pyarai and Guru Granth Sahib ji. thats a direct insult to Satguru, how can any Sikh tolerate someone who openly challenges his Guru. i really don’t see how they are any different from narakdharis

thats chardi kala

what about these akjers - they site in gurdwarai and hyperventialate why dont u cuss them down or are you too afraid fo the truth!

cuz they dont believe in dehdahri guru……and they’re down to roll with the AKs out

akj’s still do ninda of bani …

I don’t see no akjs hyperventilating at smagams and I go to a lot of smagams.
Plus, at least they don’t believe in no human gurus.

One time, 108 Bhram Giani Mahpursh Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa and the entire Jatha where staying at Sachkhand Sri Hajoor Sahib. At the same time a large Naamdhari Jatha had reserved rooms at Gurdhwara Sahib not knowing that Mahpursh and Jatha where also staying there.

The Naamdhari’s where given stage time, and did katha and many members of the jatha where taken back by the preechar done. During Ardaas, premi’s who where doing Joryaan di Sevaa, ran away as they did not want to hear the blamsemphous ardaas of the Naamdhari’s, who did not beleive in Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the jag-di-jot of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji.

The premi’s quickly ran over and sat with Mahpursh. No one dared to say a word to mahpursh Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji, out of fear, as any talk outside of gurbani was not tolerated, and Mahpursh where always in a state of doing, or listening to Gurbani and no one would dare interupt it. The Singhs all sat with mahpursh wondering what should be done, and how the Naamdhari’s should be dealt with.

Later in the evening diwan Sant Mahpursh Bhram Giani Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa, sat on stage and did Katha. Just by listening to the Katha the Naamdhari’s realized who Mahpursh where (A true Sikh of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji). The Katha hit deep down and the unfatmoable arth of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji stung at the hearts of the Naamdhari’s. Without wasting any time they all got there stuff together and ran away from Sri Hajoor Sahib Ji.

Morale: Many times we see parkhandhi babbay running prechaar against Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Quickly we are triggered to being angry and becoming hot headed. In this day and age espeically countless numbers of people are doing beadbi of Maharaaj and not conforming to parataan Rehat. By becoming angry and hot headed we are all causing fire, and likewise getting burned. Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is above all, they are untouchable and above all, it is no doubt our duty as the sons and daughters of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji to have shardaa and respect towards Maharaaj, however acting out and acting rash is of no use to anyone.

The real way to act, should be to simply get on stage and do prechaar and Gurbani itself will teach and sting at the hearts of those doing wrong doings. Full faith in Gurbani should always be held. As Gurbani itself is above all, who are we to protect it? We can only simply ask for Gurbani to protect us. Many times we feel we need to protect Gurbani from evil mahaants, but just as children who get angry at someone teasing our parents, we fail to realize that this calling of names etc, is only bringing the other person down and weighing down on there own karm.

Sakhi typed as remembered, from the katha narration of Baba Charn Singh (Bhagat Ji).

Namdharis - dont believe in guroo granth sahib as guroo
AKJ - doesnt believe in ALL of guroo granth sahib as guroo

Namdharis - go crazy while doing kirtan
AKJERS - go crazy while doing kirtan

the only one thing making namdharis worst is the fact they have a higher status for their dehdhari guroo than guroo granth sahib.

preety similar otherwise though…

I just want to say you guys talk maddd ****! Namdhaari’s aren’t crazy like you think like these Kookai people, they are totally different. All you people need to relax and not disrespect.. if people want to believe to in Namdhaari’s that’s a personal choice and no one and i mean NO ONE is forcing you into believing it however just because you don’t believe it doesn’t give you any authority to sit here and talk ****. Everyone here in blog needs to learn to be more tolerant of eachother rather than disrespect and that’s all I’ve got to say to all you people. And another thing whoever said that bullshit about how Namdhaari’s drink urine or anything along those lines, you’re just an ignorant individual who needs to grow up and not leave such elementary comments. Get your facts straight before you talk.

I believe we should be constructive and positive and not destructive and negative.

What happens is in the raza of waheguru, good or bad Namdhari’s they will pay for their deeds. Why are you all ‘wasting’ your time criticizing and washing their sins ?

Waheguru pervades in all,
If you say something bad to anyone
haw can you have unconditional love for everyone. Unless we have that, we will NOT experience waheguru..
Obey Guru Granth sahib, unconditional love for all,.

A Gurus sikh WILL NEVER criticize ANYONE.
In our Guru ji’s time, people used to get ATTRACTED to the sikhs by the path verses they were singing, and their humble and loyal lifistyle.
What are we doing, criticizing others !!!
(This would have NOT have been accepted by our Guru’ji s time)

Use your time constructively on
“How to do path, nitnem,”

When we criticize anyone, its hankaar……. (We are right they are wrong)
Lets control our:
Kaam, Krodh, lobh, moh and Hankaar and MAKE our Guru Granth sahib PROUD,,
that we also follow what we preach…………….

It is amazing that how many of us so called sikhs of guru granth sahib ji have done nindya here.. this is the biggest best..forget the kookey and mastane….they prob go mastane listening to kirtan unlike us who start to dance to bhangra and dirty songs…yet kookey are better than us..we acusing namdharis that they are wrong..1st of we all call our self a sikh.. what a joke…it seems like you dont have any value of gurbani yet callin your self sikh of guru granth sahib ji…if u valued what gurbani says & if u believed in guru granth sahib and if u were the sikh of the true guru, then u wouldn’t do nindya of anyone doesn’t matter what race what religion that person belongs to nihang , kukas, nirmalas, singh sabias, akj, taksali, etc…” Manda kise na akhiye per akher eho bujiye”…”per ninda kareh, anter mal lae, bahar mal dhowe, man ki joot na jae”..the biggest thing is that satguru ji dosnt like you because you do nindya of others.doesn’t matter if its a namdhari or what ever. here if u don’t believe me then I’ll tell you what guru amar das sahib ji says about you kind of people. “kubudh doomni kudeya PER NINDA ghat Choohri muthi krodh chandaal”..”nindak moowa, upaj vad taap” .lets see what guru arjan dev ji has to say about you..”nindak ki prab pat gwai”.. It is also written in gurbani that people who dont follow their gurus hukam are bemukhs..”prai jo ninda chugli noh vemukh ker ke bhejya, othe bhi muh kala duha vemukha da kraya”.guru ramdas jis hukam is “nindka ke mooh kale kreh, har karte aap wdhai, jio jio nindak nind kareh, tiyo tiyo nit chareh swai”…….when we individualy have so many faults in our selves then why point at one another…this is the 1st teachings of our gurus yet people like us wish to ignore it…..It is a benti to the sadhsangat to avoid such chat groups, blogs and debates on the internet which is a great distractions & leads us to the wrong path and causes us to do nindya etc which is paap and will do nothing but bad to us. Doing nindya will wash away our good deeds (read gurbani). Even if u do veechaar or discussion about any panth or religion or polotics it always leads us in debates. so why start such things which creats kal klesh and waste our times.

It is a benti to end these kind of nindyas about kookas etc and leave everything to akaal purak ji. rather filling our selves with ego thinking that we can clear the mess in our khalsa panth all alone & waisting time, let’s rather spend this unique time in simeran & gurbani. “audh ghate dinso renareh, man gurmil kaj swareh” “peei prapat manukh dehuriya, gobind milan ki eho teri bariya, aver kaaj tere kite na kaam, mil sadsangat bhaj kewal naam”

lets ask for, not just guru granth sahib nu manan valeh sikh, singh sabhia, nihang, akali, namdhari…but lets ask for nanak nam chardi kla tere bhane SARBAT ka bhala.

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa waheguru Ji ki Fateh

Maybe Naamdharis r in the rong, for believing in a living guru, and disregarding Guru Granth Sahib Ji and not obeying the orders of Guru Gobind Singh Ji…
.. but atleast they have kept some maryada, unlike many young sikhs today, some of which also posted on here, who no how to talk but how bout act on it..
…atleast Naamdharis are devoted to what they believe.. which many sikhs today, may bow to Guru Granth Sahib Ji but do they take on board what they are to do and follow..

in todays world.. dont u think naamdharis look more liek sikhs dan the average so called sikh…
Why?? maybe thats a questions we shoudl all ask ourselves..

every one has freedom to a opinon, howevr if u r a sikh, then does using bad language, and cussing others veiws make u that sikh..

instead of dissing their views and their way of living up to be a sikh.. y dont we do wot we need to do as a Sikh first…

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I just wanna ask, how can naamdharis not be sikh when they have a guru? And why shuldn’t we allow them in our houses or respect them? A muslim who has love for allah too is a sikh, for allah is his satguru.

shinda i suggest you take this of the net immediatley. first of all u people are to used 2 western society, u wank over basket ball players, guru gobind singh and his people used 2 go mastana like the man in the video, thousands of people did, mastana means a link with god, how can som1 go mastana over kirtan which isnt even played 2 raag, u play asa de vaars at 8 am wtf are u people on. guru nanak stated there will be 14 gurus and 70 bhagats yea, u stop on 10, u think that guru gobind singh walked into a fire. why would a guru commit suicde. gurus arent just normall people. U read the granth as do we u think namdharis dont respect it. just cos u put 600 pound cloths 2 cover it when u dont even understand whats in it?? with out namdharis females wouldnt be taking amrit.
Sri satguru ram singh ji maharaj saved sikhism from the british. i bet u dicks shave your balls and **** jamaican chicks and u go on preaching khalsa. you dont no **** all i suggest u read the granth propaly. its not that u akalis believe its tru . ITS THAT YOU DONT WANT 2 believe its tru. cos it would stop you from being allowed 2 eat meat etc. i sugessst you take this page down cos all i no is ur some sad **** who preaches bull ****. the guru can make a sangat the sangat cant make a guru. u cant go round printing books and praying to them. u pray FROM the book not TO the book. a printing press could print that mohhamed is our guru and everyone wud go believing that, whos got the original granth? the biritsh and thats not bull **** cos ive seen it in a british musseum.anything which teaches u somthing is a guru. guru is a guide. get ur facts rright i swer dwn u dont no sh*t man i swear. all your gonna get by bad naming sikh sects is PAAP

I might not know mcuh, but your is laced with ignorance and lies.

Where did Guru Nanak state there would be 14 Gurus?? WHERE!???

Bhai Gurdaas Ji, a SIKH of Guru Nanak writes about there being 10 Gurus of physical form.

Guru Gobind Singh ji himself declared that from herin there should be no other Guru, except for Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Lets face it, Naamdhari’s appointed Guru Bhai Ram Singh, himself denounced those fools who declared him as Guru, and rather humbly begged Sangat to worship only Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Seems like the Naamdharis are the real British tools. Wake up you fool!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!

dude wdff shinda shut up u dont kno what yur on about m8! u sey that guru gobind singh ji said that the granth will b the next guru! wat a load of bollockz is he had sed that sum one wud hav recorded it! also the guru wudn hav commited suicde! face facts! guru is always right!follow the granth and dasam granth and sarbloh granth properly… read wat it sez in there… take the meaning… and folow it! dont b postin people goin mastane and seyn theyr goin ‘wild’! bcoz our gurus went mastane many atime! people in praatan times, in guru ji’s court went mastane and here u are now takin the piss and exposing it to the world! do me a fava if yur gunne take the piss out of our gurus all 14 of them do it in yur own homes dont put it on the internet and make it public! thank u akaaaaaaal

Mr Singh…

>>read that u candaian prick ima come down 2 ur endz and kick the **** outa u stupid prick dissin my guru yea fake

Whatever you say bob. Just dont go all mast, and start head banging in the middle of the fight.

AKJ do not hyperventilate in their Simran. The Simran Jugti as taught at AKJ Amrit Sanchars is documented in Sau Sakhi, Bhagat Ratnavali (written by Bhai Mani Singh) and Prem Surag Granth. There is also a link albeit tenuous in Daya Singh Rehatnama. If someone hyperventilated in Simran they would loose consciousness or would not be able to continue hyperventilating.

Before mindlessly grouping one Panthic group who have done large amounts of Seva for the Kaum (from the time of Bhai Randhir Singh to the Babbars) with Namdharis, it may be useful to learn a little about the facts first :O)

this is so bad, i cant believe how so many of you talk about Guru Sahibs in your posts and in the same posts you guys use disgusting swear words. Hint, hint Anonymous. Is that what the Gurus have taught us, more like what you have taught yourselves, if your gonna mention about the Gurus, the least you could do is not swear in the post you mention their pavitar names in, atleast show ’some’ type of respect to their names man. if you cant respect the Gurus sikhs, atleast respect the Gurus.

And for the sake of your beloved Gurus that you all are so proud of, stop making fun of each other because Im sure Guru Gobind singh ji would be looking down on us to see how we are fighting like fools and feeling real ashamed because of it. Such chilidish, rediculous behaviour wont get us anywhere, other than separate us even farther apart from each other, sikhi, and eventually Waheguroo. Is that what you guys are aiming for??? if that is the case, then continue on like wandering fools.

And about the Guru manayo Granth quote, Shinda IS right about it, he DOES have facts to back it up, it’s another thing that your ’so called facts’ are so ‘unreal’. But then again I guess theres no point in trying to convince anyone here, because you all want to beleieve what ever you WANT to believe in, regardless of the fact that it’s not true.

And Anonymous, talk about Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee wid RESPECT.

m8 i talk about all our gurus with respect, i treat the guru granth sahib with ultimate respect as well as satguru jagjit singh ji. But these people are takin liberties, they are talkin about different peoples gurus in a rong way! and shinda is sayn that we shud let anybody who is not sikh in 2 our house and that is namdharis included! u allow muslims and hindus in your house but not namdharis? what is this?

If people have got 14 gurus it doesn’t matter because they are all spreading the word yeh? they’ve brought back maryada which is more than what the S.G.P.C are doing!

Also yeh that supposed ‘dohra’ who rote it? im sure it was not satguru gobind singh ji maharaj! the people to ask is nihangs, proper nihangs! Who read the dasam and sarbloh granth aswell as aadh granth!

Please all we are askin 4 is 4 shina to remove this post and to stop takin the ‘mickey’ out of namdhari maryada! thank u!

Fateh

all of you people are pathetic. do some paath.

DHAN DHAN BHAI RAM SINGH JI

shinda can i ask u one ting r u taksali?

Naw, not quite there yet, but maybe someday…

guru sahib kirpa karan, maybe one day we can all be true taksalees

okay i dont get this..u people are talking as if taksalis are better than sikhs??? :S ws up wid dat?? i always thought and still do that a taksali is a person who belongs to the taksali jatha right?..but a taksali is a taksali only after they are a sikh right?? so im confused,…or r u all saying that a person could be a sikh but they gota work harder to be a taksali??? im like HUHH :s ??? OR r u sayin that a taksali is a khalsaa??

really confused.

ohh and sorri no i DO NOT want to be a taksali at alllllllllll!! i wanna read in to sikhi my own way and the aim is NOT to be a taksali… in my eyes anyway? and what is so special about taksalis? hmm please ansa my question fully and dont leave anything out…

Taksals a school, for one to be Taksali means for that person to have graduated from that school. No one said anything about Taksali’s being something other then Sikh. Its a school where people go to learn Gurmat.Sarab, Naamdharis are not Sikh, Simple as that. They are not a type of Sikh, nor will they ever be. Taksal doesn’t oppose everyone what are you smoking? Taksal has always recognized Nihangs and nihang traditions. Taksal does parkash of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. Taksal doesn’t condone eating of meat, and therefore doesn’t eat it. A good number of Singhs who go to school or learn from Taksal are Nihangs. It was Baba Deep Singh a NIHANG who acted as Taksal’s first jatehdar. It was Tarna Dal and Bidhi Chand, nihangs who helped establish Taksal at mehta chowk by donating the land. Taksal hasn’t changed history to suit them, its the backward thinking Naamdharis who have turned there back on Bhai Ram Singhs letters, and have adopted the dey dhari Guru ship, by twisting and distoring history to say that Guru Gobind Singh passed on the Guru-gadhi, when all ithyaasic granths say otherwise.

You are free to go your way, no one is stopping you. The fact remains that Naamdharis are not Sikhs. They have turned there back on Sri Guru Granth Sahib by accepting a dehdhari Guru, and are therefore in no way affiliated with the Panth.

ghareeai sabad sachee taksaal

so just as g said, everyone should strive to be a true taksaali, with bani minted into their mind in such a way that they never forget akaal purakh

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dude thats all cool yh wat evry one under my post has sed… but people who call themselves ‘taksalis’ down here r 2 raw. they go around dissin evry one who ain like them, i always associated taksalis with akj, because of their way of doin keertan. but i stand firm when i say raag IS the only way! with guru dhe saaj. and also some one rote down the longg line lol that u shudnt let naamdharis into your house? whats that about? and there has been many times where namdharis were doing keertan at a local gurdwara (with sri aadh granth sahib present) and they have either been ran out of the gurdwara or been ‘dissed’ and been verbally abused with harsh language! also their guru has been offended to, and i didnt at all feel this right because these people from outside were tellin namdharis to get out of the gurdwara because ‘ they were not allowed’ but didnt our guru’s say that any one is allowed in the guru’s ghar? im jus well confused and i REALLY do not have a problem with namdharis they believe in the first 10 and do read all the granths, its just that they hav a deydhari guru… BIG WOOP i’ve seen loads of old bibiyan doin paree haath to nex badhaey who are ment to have ’special powers’ surely it is the same thing??? hmm pls ansa all my q’s!

oh and i found this frm a SANATAN sikhi site.. vview on namdharis

‘Though the Namdhari Sikhs do not believe in the Adi Guru Durbar as Guru, this does not imply that they do not respect or revere the sacred scripture. The manner in which Namdharis relate to Adi Guru Durbar is analogous to how mainstream Sikhs view Dasam Guru Durbar. They look upon the teachings as ‘Gurbani’ (Guru’s holy words), but not as ‘Guru’. Namdharis in no way disrespect Adi Guru Durbar, or for that matter Dasam Guru Durbar. Indeed, from experience, the