I’ll be honest, I’m not a big fan of Naamdhari’s, never have been, was somewhat cool with them for a minute (the Jagardhang Naghardhang track), but then I snapped back to reality.
Now before you think I’m getting all racist or prejudiced or whatever else, you got to realize that Naamdhari’s for all I know maybe really good people, but for their beliefs I can not ever openly accept them.
Sure they do Raag, yes they even lay emphasis on Raag, and good for them! Too bad they also believe in a daydhari Guru. It’s an insult and a slap to Guru Gobind Singh, every minute when they tell us that their Guru is Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s successor.
Some sites now accept Kookay as being a branch of Sikhs. They are not Sikhs! They might be good people, but not Sikhs. They never will be, until the day they recognize only Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, as the true and immortal Guru, until the day they kneel before Guru Roop, Punj Pyarai they will remain separated and on their own path, astray from the Guru Panth.
I don’t know why I’m so frustrated with Kookay. I think largely because they’re spreading there mythology even further and further. Akaal Takhat has rejected Naamdharis from the panth, yet mainstream Sikhs still openly accept them into their homes.
It’s a sad day, when we accept and sit beside those who openly challenge Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s hukam every day by believing in their own daydhari Guru.
I honestly don’t understand where they’re coming from. How do people believe them? Why do people believe them? If any good is to be derived from them, then it would have to be that they help take the fools out of Sikhi, leaving us with those who have at least the common sense to know that the Naamdhari panth is not a genuine panth, it’s a leach, sucking the blood out of Sikhi, which is even more frustrating since we’re already filled with our own set
of Pimp’s (Babbay, Jatehdars, Granthis, Gianis Mahants), who are busy pimping our Panth for their own glorification and satisfaction. But then again, in the olden days they used leaches to help cure sicknesses, by sucking out the diseases and poisons, so maybe there could be some good to all this?
Only Guru Sahib knows, but until then let’s just sit back and enjoy watching Kookay going wild.
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wat had akaal takhat said about kookay?
Im pretty sure they havent been excommunicated
Omg..Is that normal? Kookay dancing around when keertan is going on? PS go to 340 and see the 2 crazy people dancing. Also, does it feel right singing bani when believing in a next guru?
Just some things to think about.
hahaha, oh man, pure besti… but your right, naamdharis arent sikhs, though they believe in first 10 gurus, they dont obay or believe in their hukams such as GURU MANEYO GRANTH…
or from khalsa mehima Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Khalsa Panth.
so they cant be Sikhs as they have picked and chosen which teachings of Gurus to follow and which ones to blantantly dis regard..
The essence of Sikhi is to stand for the truth, there are even letters of Ram singh saying he isnt the next guru, but they disregard the TRUTH, and continue with their own thing, they disregard what guru gobind singh ji said and say its not true…. SO SINCE THEY CANT STAND BY THE TRUTH, which so many sikhs give and gave their life for, they cant be Sikhs.
The end.
the guy who came in the end stole the show! post more lol
shinda singh dee jai hovay!
very interesting video. The backflips were impressive but unfortunately he got upstaged by the guy at the end. He couldn’t top that performance.
All that work and the Supreme Weirdo award goes to someone else.
How do you concentrate on kirtan with all this stuff going on?
I understand your frustration over namdharis, but i am really impressed by them. Sure they are NOT sikhs and i udnerstand and acknowledge that, however they provide interesting things to think about about.
Namdharis to me are like relics of the past, they have preserved their marayda so well. They keep some marayda that is going lost in our day, like, raag vidiya, respect for all three granths (im saying atleast they acknowledge aad,dasam,and sarbloh granth as bani, not guroo , but at least as bani, whereas many neo-sikhs are rejecting portions of all three), havans, etc.
They did help out us Sikhs a lot in the past, and Giani Santhok Singh Ji talks about this, and his respect for the Kookay is apparent.
About the video, preety crazy… I’ve read what Giani Santhok SIngh Ji has written about them in Sooraj Prakhash Granth i think, he talks about the kookay and how they do kirtan so crazyly to the extent of their dastaars falling off. I’ve never seen this until now, lol, and i must say i never though i would see anything that topped akj…
naamdharis didnt preserve keertan maryada, they reointroduced it 2-3 generations ago… and now the fruits of reintroducing it is paying off.. so they didnt really preserve it , alhtouhg i give them credit for know having fulll keertan maryada and raag vidhiya… but u cant say they have it coming downsince puraatan times, we are talking the mid 1900’s when they started learning it
its something the sikh panth should learn from,m and also reintorduce raag vidhiya, and a few gerneations down the line, the investment will pay off… gurmat sangeet project is a good start…
naamdharis + AKJ style GROOOOOOO GROOOOOO
now that would be jokessssss
yoo gaffer, what are you chokeing on?
the naamdharis sure they preserved there maryada….of like 50-60 years…..there GOI initiated and funded….
the property, pictures, satatements is all proof, its just covered up with so many issues we forget its all fake YA I SAID IT NAAMDHARI’S ARE FAKE…
if there respectable, everyone should matha teekh to me and im a mona!
good post of choice.
last i heard the gaffer apparently was a naamdhari
Even though I am not Namdhari. This asa di var video of namdharis is all my time favourite- part of raag collection. These two old babai’s, I don’t think they are dancing but they are doing movements in spiritual trance(masti, nihal hii nihaal) mode, although i strongly beleive in sehaj avastha and against the idea of loosing sehaj in maharaj darbar while gurbani is recitten or sung. I would be little careful to make fun of them.
Regards,
Neo Singh from Sikhawareness.
wicked post neo, yeh i totatly agree
you people who think they are in a spiritual trance are stupid, straight up
spiritual trance..hmmmm.. here at london..we c alotta tht.. at wicsa jams of course.. evrybodys in spiritual trance ther ..damn …i’ma go join them.. LOL
I especially like the new layout on your site. It is very funky.
The best is when that kooka at the end gets all nihaali nihaal and jumps and takes a flip into the aisles where all the other budhoo’s are standing…takes a flip..
Honestly though, Shinda Veerji, how can you say Naam Dharis are bad, when they take such dumb asses out of Sikhi. Keep it up. New layouts nice.
hunjee shinda veerjee, daso…
The Kukas, a branch of the Khalsa Panth.
have shot into prominence during the last thirty years* or so.
In the ecstasy of the Sabad, they are rapturously forgetful of themselves, oblivious of their headgears falling off.
They are precisely and eminently designated as Namdharis, though because of their loud cries, they are commonly known as Kukas, Except for their turbans falling off, they remain well within the approved tradition.
- Sooraj Prakhash Granth by Mahaan Kavi Santhok Singh Ji
wooof wooof who let the dawgs outtt
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Another UK dumb ***.. Come on, you guys cant even show face to any events. Yet you continue to internet preach.
COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Substantiate your translations with images from the granth, go on I dare you to
lol that video was fruity
what a fairy
The 2nd pic you have up isn’t that of harbhajan singh yogi. He was not a naaamdhari.
yea, yogi bhajan and 3ho have links to naamdharis. that is scandolous. that is definetly not chardi kala. i wonder what they have to say for themselves. being close with people who openly oppose guru granth sahib as guru
whatttttt, are u serious…but naa,dharis are GOI, are u tryin to imply that so is 3ho?
Thats mad scary man. I would be worried if that stuff happened around me
3h0 is wack as well, bibian be shaving and ****
how do you know they shave? have you taken a look at their faces and legs extensively? Buddy, gorey women mostly have light blonde hair on their legs..so if it looks like they shave maybe its not so..its called ****** vellus hair..get the dif between vellus and terminal. later b
hahahahaha yea this is the funniest thing iv ever seen!!!!!!!!!
n for kookay yea they piss me off……..they were doing kirtan on chardikalaa.
wats up with that :S?
they need their *** kiked but for some reason our comunity still continues to suport them what the bloody fudge.
i dont get how people listen to these people……..
my 35 cents lol
man, this isnt even a debate…honestly naamdharis are stuck in india and UK…..only there can wack *** ppls can run there stupid ways to ruin sikhi..
come to toronto and get beat like grewal it aint no laughin matta, the best u can get is a meeting with the one n only gaffa!
ahh im not gonna put my name cuz of the lil line i dropped hahaha,,but yo they know that there gonna get beat if they roll here….all we got is the odd naamdhari practising his FAKE **** in his own house…the day they try to expand, them niggaz will get popped
naamdharis do ill keertan still..if only we could suck the naamdhari out of them and make them into real sikhs..the more we get together, together, together, the more we get together the happier we’ll be..(Of course im talking about quality and quantity going hand in hand)
*sigh*
If only our Gudwaras had that same keertan playing with the stages packed of real raagis and not just overnight bollywood keertani’s singing along in raag and getting lost in the shabad.
yeah..apney gurdwarian daa haal sarya ya…guru sahib to illava…politics vee guru ghar vich vasdey ya..
U kids need to chill…u not gangstas u are sons and daughters of guru gobind singh…know that…emi boli janda
LOL @ whoever said that Naamdharis are only in UK and India. Theres tons of them in Canada.
So many so that they even got their own temple, in Woodbridge!
And theres a tons of naamdharis living in Castlemore and Springdale. You see them outside chilling all t the time.
And lets not forget the Narkhdharis who got their own thing going in Georgetown.
Not so much a UK, India problem now is it?? Bus aimee internet day karkoo.
there are sooooooooooo many namdharis in africa, especially kenya. my dad used to live there he said there were tons there , they even had their own gurdrawa.
naamdharissss can kiss my asss!!
so you like cussing people whos beleifs are different! What about what about mian mir! and loads of other faiths who were friends of the guru and were a big impact and developlment to sikhi! dont forget that sikhi means to learn! and by cussing you will never learn! Forgive me if i offended anyone!
but mian mir didn’t claim to be Guru or he didn’t try to take authority away from Satguru. naamdhari guru claims he is satguru and in doing so they try to take authority away from Guru Roop Punj Pyarai and Guru Granth Sahib ji. thats a direct insult to Satguru, how can any Sikh tolerate someone who openly challenges his Guru. i really don’t see how they are any different from narakdharis
yo, u think if i smacked the head of a naamdhari really hard their pug would fall off?
In other news……
i hear naamdharis eat cow ****
and
they becaome naadharis when they drink the water that comes out of jagjit singhs kashera when he washes it
thats chardi kala
what about these akjers – they site in gurdwarai and hyperventialate why dont u cuss them down or are you too afraid fo the truth!
cuz they dont believe in dehdahri guru……and they’re down to roll with the AKs out
akj’s still do ninda of bani …
I don’t see no akjs hyperventilating at smagams and I go to a lot of smagams.
Plus, at least they don’t believe in no human gurus.
One time, 108 Bhram Giani Mahpursh Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa and the entire Jatha where staying at Sachkhand Sri Hajoor Sahib. At the same time a large Naamdhari Jatha had reserved rooms at Gurdhwara Sahib not knowing that Mahpursh and Jatha where also staying there.
The Naamdhari’s where given stage time, and did katha and many members of the jatha where taken back by the preechar done. During Ardaas, premi’s who where doing Joryaan di Sevaa, ran away as they did not want to hear the blamsemphous ardaas of the Naamdhari’s, who did not beleive in Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the jag-di-jot of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Ji.
The premi’s quickly ran over and sat with Mahpursh. No one dared to say a word to mahpursh Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji, out of fear, as any talk outside of gurbani was not tolerated, and Mahpursh where always in a state of doing, or listening to Gurbani and no one would dare interupt it. The Singhs all sat with mahpursh wondering what should be done, and how the Naamdhari’s should be dealt with.
Later in the evening diwan Sant Mahpursh Bhram Giani Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa, sat on stage and did Katha. Just by listening to the Katha the Naamdhari’s realized who Mahpursh where (A true Sikh of Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji). The Katha hit deep down and the unfatmoable arth of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji stung at the hearts of the Naamdhari’s. Without wasting any time they all got there stuff together and ran away from Sri Hajoor Sahib Ji.
Morale: Many times we see parkhandhi babbay running prechaar against Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Quickly we are triggered to being angry and becoming hot headed. In this day and age espeically countless numbers of people are doing beadbi of Maharaaj and not conforming to parataan Rehat. By becoming angry and hot headed we are all causing fire, and likewise getting burned. Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is above all, they are untouchable and above all, it is no doubt our duty as the sons and daughters of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji to have shardaa and respect towards Maharaaj, however acting out and acting rash is of no use to anyone.
The real way to act, should be to simply get on stage and do prechaar and Gurbani itself will teach and sting at the hearts of those doing wrong doings. Full faith in Gurbani should always be held. As Gurbani itself is above all, who are we to protect it? We can only simply ask for Gurbani to protect us. Many times we feel we need to protect Gurbani from evil mahaants, but just as children who get angry at someone teasing our parents, we fail to realize that this calling of names etc, is only bringing the other person down and weighing down on there own karm.
Sakhi typed as remembered, from the katha narration of Baba Charn Singh (Bhagat Ji).
Namdharis – dont believe in guroo granth sahib as guroo
AKJ – doesnt believe in ALL of guroo granth sahib as guroo
Namdharis – go crazy while doing kirtan
AKJERS – go crazy while doing kirtan
the only one thing making namdharis worst is the fact they have a higher status for their dehdhari guroo than guroo granth sahib.
preety similar otherwise though…
I just want to say you guys talk maddd ****! Namdhaari’s aren’t crazy like you think like these Kookai people, they are totally different. All you people need to relax and not disrespect.. if people want to believe to in Namdhaari’s that’s a personal choice and no one and i mean NO ONE is forcing you into believing it however just because you don’t believe it doesn’t give you any authority to sit here and talk ****. Everyone here in blog needs to learn to be more tolerant of eachother rather than disrespect and that’s all I’ve got to say to all you people. And another thing whoever said that bullshit about how Namdhaari’s drink urine or anything along those lines, you’re just an ignorant individual who needs to grow up and not leave such elementary comments. Get your facts straight before you talk.
I believe we should be constructive and positive and not destructive and negative.
What happens is in the raza of waheguru, good or bad Namdhari’s they will pay for their deeds. Why are you all ‘wasting’ your time criticizing and washing their sins ?
Waheguru pervades in all,
If you say something bad to anyone
haw can you have unconditional love for everyone. Unless we have that, we will NOT experience waheguru..
Obey Guru Granth sahib, unconditional love for all,.
A Gurus sikh WILL NEVER criticize ANYONE.
In our Guru ji’s time, people used to get ATTRACTED to the sikhs by the path verses they were singing, and their humble and loyal lifistyle.
What are we doing, criticizing others !!!
(This would have NOT have been accepted by our Guru’ji s time)
Use your time constructively on
“How to do path, nitnem,”
When we criticize anyone, its hankaar……. (We are right they are wrong)
Lets control our:
Kaam, Krodh, lobh, moh and Hankaar and MAKE our Guru Granth sahib PROUD,,
that we also follow what we preach…………….
naw naw, i know about the naamdharis in gerogetown, i didnt know about woodbridge, but i do know theyre around…
im just saying they cant really go out and do prachaar here….
as oppposed to uk and india, where nangs and pakhandi babas run wild….
It is amazing that how many of us so called sikhs of guru granth sahib ji have done nindya here.. this is the biggest best..forget the kookey and mastane….they prob go mastane listening to kirtan unlike us who start to dance to bhangra and dirty songs…yet kookey are better than us..we acusing namdharis that they are wrong..1st of we all call our self a sikh.. what a joke…it seems like you dont have any value of gurbani yet callin your self sikh of guru granth sahib ji…if u valued what gurbani says & if u believed in guru granth sahib and if u were the sikh of the true guru, then u wouldn’t do nindya of anyone doesn’t matter what race what religion that person belongs to nihang , kukas, nirmalas, singh sabias, akj, taksali, etc…” Manda kise na akhiye per akher eho bujiye”…”per ninda kareh, anter mal lae, bahar mal dhowe, man ki joot na jae”..the biggest thing is that satguru ji dosnt like you because you do nindya of others.doesn’t matter if its a namdhari or what ever. here if u don’t believe me then I’ll tell you what guru amar das sahib ji says about you kind of people. “kubudh doomni kudeya PER NINDA ghat Choohri muthi krodh chandaal”..”nindak moowa, upaj vad taap” .lets see what guru arjan dev ji has to say about you..”nindak ki prab pat gwai”.. It is also written in gurbani that people who dont follow their gurus hukam are bemukhs..”prai jo ninda chugli noh vemukh ker ke bhejya, othe bhi muh kala duha vemukha da kraya”.guru ramdas jis hukam is “nindka ke mooh kale kreh, har karte aap wdhai, jio jio nindak nind kareh, tiyo tiyo nit chareh swai”…….when we individualy have so many faults in our selves then why point at one another…this is the 1st teachings of our gurus yet people like us wish to ignore it…..It is a benti to the sadhsangat to avoid such chat groups, blogs and debates on the internet which is a great distractions & leads us to the wrong path and causes us to do nindya etc which is paap and will do nothing but bad to us. Doing nindya will wash away our good deeds (read gurbani). Even if u do veechaar or discussion about any panth or religion or polotics it always leads us in debates. so why start such things which creats kal klesh and waste our times.
It is a benti to end these kind of nindyas about kookas etc and leave everything to akaal purak ji. rather filling our selves with ego thinking that we can clear the mess in our khalsa panth all alone & waisting time, let’s rather spend this unique time in simeran & gurbani. “audh ghate dinso renareh, man gurmil kaj swareh” “peei prapat manukh dehuriya, gobind milan ki eho teri bariya, aver kaaj tere kite na kaam, mil sadsangat bhaj kewal naam”
lets ask for, not just guru granth sahib nu manan valeh sikh, singh sabhia, nihang, akali, namdhari…but lets ask for nanak nam chardi kla tere bhane SARBAT ka bhala.
Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa waheguru Ji ki Fateh
WTFF how can u compare akjs 2 namdharis?? thats jus **** akjs keertan is fake dey leev out raagmaala and start singing gurus shabads in bhangra tunes wa is that BESTIIII of our gurus. Im not namdharis yeh but u dicks dont understand that the keertan they do is the real deal you wont hear keertan that accurate in a singh sabha gurdwara! noooo wayy evaa!!
u lots summ crazyy ppl man 22 narrow minded!
FATEH!
Maybe Naamdharis r in the rong, for believing in a living guru, and disregarding Guru Granth Sahib Ji and not obeying the orders of Guru Gobind Singh Ji…
.. but atleast they have kept some maryada, unlike many young sikhs today, some of which also posted on here, who no how to talk but how bout act on it..
…atleast Naamdharis are devoted to what they believe.. which many sikhs today, may bow to Guru Granth Sahib Ji but do they take on board what they are to do and follow..
in todays world.. dont u think naamdharis look more liek sikhs dan the average so called sikh…
Why?? maybe thats a questions we shoudl all ask ourselves..
every one has freedom to a opinon, howevr if u r a sikh, then does using bad language, and cussing others veiws make u that sikh..
instead of dissing their views and their way of living up to be a sikh.. y dont we do wot we need to do as a Sikh first…
the video ain’t workin’…
fix it…I’m curious to see what their diwans look like.
Upgrade to the latest version of flash.
I just wanna ask, how can naamdharis not be sikh when they have a guru? And why shuldn’t we allow them in our houses or respect them? A muslim who has love for allah too is a sikh, for allah is his satguru.
shinda i suggest you take this of the net immediatley. first of all u people are to used 2 western society, u wank over basket ball players, guru gobind singh and his people used 2 go mastana like the man in the video, thousands of people did, mastana means a link with god, how can som1 go mastana over kirtan which isnt even played 2 raag, u play asa de vaars at 8 am wtf are u people on. guru nanak stated there will be 14 gurus and 70 bhagats yea, u stop on 10, u think that guru gobind singh walked into a fire. why would a guru commit suicde. gurus arent just normall people. U read the granth as do we u think namdharis dont respect it. just cos u put 600 pound cloths 2 cover it when u dont even understand whats in it?? with out namdharis females wouldnt be taking amrit.
Sri satguru ram singh ji maharaj saved sikhism from the british. i bet u dicks shave your balls and **** jamaican chicks and u go on preaching khalsa. you dont no **** all i suggest u read the granth propaly. its not that u akalis believe its tru . ITS THAT YOU DONT WANT 2 believe its tru. cos it would stop you from being allowed 2 eat meat etc. i sugessst you take this page down cos all i no is ur some sad **** who preaches bull ****. the guru can make a sangat the sangat cant make a guru. u cant go round printing books and praying to them. u pray FROM the book not TO the book. a printing press could print that mohhamed is our guru and everyone wud go believing that, whos got the original granth? the biritsh and thats not bull **** cos ive seen it in a british musseum.anything which teaches u somthing is a guru. guru is a guide. get ur facts rright i swer dwn u dont no sh*t man i swear. all your gonna get by bad naming sikh sects is PAAP
I might not know mcuh, but your is laced with ignorance and lies.
Where did Guru Nanak state there would be 14 Gurus?? WHERE!???
Bhai Gurdaas Ji, a SIKH of Guru Nanak writes about there being 10 Gurus of physical form.
Guru Gobind Singh ji himself declared that from herin there should be no other Guru, except for Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Lets face it, Naamdhari’s appointed Guru Bhai Ram Singh, himself denounced those fools who declared him as Guru, and rather humbly begged Sangat to worship only Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Seems like the Naamdharis are the real British tools. Wake up you fool!!! WAKE UP!!!!!!
http://www.sikh-heritage.co.uk/research/Guru%20Death/Death%20of%20GGSPg3.htm
read that u candaian prick ima come down 2 ur ****** endz and kick the **** outa u stupid prick dissin my guru yea mother ***** fake
dude wdff shinda shut up u dont kno what yur on about m8! u sey that guru gobind singh ji said that the granth will b the next guru! wat a load of bollockz is he had sed that sum one wud hav recorded it! also the guru wudn hav commited suicde! face facts! guru is always right!follow the granth and dasam granth and sarbloh granth properly… read wat it sez in there… take the meaning… and folow it! dont b postin people goin mastane and seyn theyr goin ‘wild’! bcoz our gurus went mastane many atime! people in praatan times, in guru ji’s court went mastane and here u are now takin the piss and exposing it to the world! do me a fava if yur gunne take the piss out of our gurus all 14 of them do it in yur own homes dont put it on the internet and make it public! thank u akaaaaaaal
Mr Singh…
1) It was recorded, and ironically it is written by Guru Gobing Singh himself and this Dhora is recited everyday by the Sikhs, Sabh Sikhan Ko Huakam Hai Guru Manio Granth..
2) Bhai Gurdas Ji talks about the Guruship ending after the 10th Guru (Guru as in physical saroop). This is also recorded.
3) No one says Guru Gobind Singh Jee committed suicided. They where assassinated.
Get your facts straight come on now…
>>read that u candaian prick ima come down 2 ur endz and kick the **** outa u stupid prick dissin my guru yea fake
Whatever you say bob. Just dont go all mast, and start head banging in the middle of the fight.
AKJ do not hyperventilate in their Simran. The Simran Jugti as taught at AKJ Amrit Sanchars is documented in Sau Sakhi, Bhagat Ratnavali (written by Bhai Mani Singh) and Prem Surag Granth. There is also a link albeit tenuous in Daya Singh Rehatnama. If someone hyperventilated in Simran they would loose consciousness or would not be able to continue hyperventilating.
Before mindlessly grouping one Panthic group who have done large amounts of Seva for the Kaum (from the time of Bhai Randhir Singh to the Babbars) with Namdharis, it may be useful to learn a little about the facts first :O)
Shinda u gimme bareeeeeeeee jokez! do u kno who rote ‘Sabh Sikhan Ko Huakam Hai Guru Manio Granth..’ sum singh sabha dude hahahah u cant evan get yur facts strayt hahaha guru gobind singh jee hadn’t sed nuthing like that! Dude this is how badly u gettin brainwashd by supposed ’scholars’. HAHAHAHA sorri that reali craked me up wen i read that u joka!
Have fun makin up quotes from guru gobind singh ji maharaj!
this is so bad, i cant believe how so many of you talk about Guru Sahibs in your posts and in the same posts you guys use disgusting swear words. Hint, hint Anonymous. Is that what the Gurus have taught us, more like what you have taught yourselves, if your gonna mention about the Gurus, the least you could do is not swear in the post you mention their pavitar names in, atleast show ’some’ type of respect to their names man. if you cant respect the Gurus sikhs, atleast respect the Gurus.
And for the sake of your beloved Gurus that you all are so proud of, stop making fun of each other because Im sure Guru Gobind singh ji would be looking down on us to see how we are fighting like fools and feeling real ashamed because of it. Such chilidish, rediculous behaviour wont get us anywhere, other than separate us even farther apart from each other, sikhi, and eventually Waheguroo. Is that what you guys are aiming for??? if that is the case, then continue on like wandering fools.
And about the Guru manayo Granth quote, Shinda IS right about it, he DOES have facts to back it up, it’s another thing that your ’so called facts’ are so ‘unreal’. But then again I guess theres no point in trying to convince anyone here, because you all want to beleieve what ever you WANT to believe in, regardless of the fact that it’s not true.
And Anonymous, talk about Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee wid RESPECT.
m8 i talk about all our gurus with respect, i treat the guru granth sahib with ultimate respect as well as satguru jagjit singh ji. But these people are takin liberties, they are talkin about different peoples gurus in a rong way! and shinda is sayn that we shud let anybody who is not sikh in 2 our house and that is namdharis included! u allow muslims and hindus in your house but not namdharis? what is this?
If people have got 14 gurus it doesn’t matter because they are all spreading the word yeh? they’ve brought back maryada which is more than what the S.G.P.C are doing!
Also yeh that supposed ‘dohra’ who rote it? im sure it was not satguru gobind singh ji maharaj! the people to ask is nihangs, proper nihangs! Who read the dasam and sarbloh granth aswell as aadh granth!
Please all we are askin 4 is 4 shina to remove this post and to stop takin the ‘mickey’ out of namdhari maryada! thank u!
Fateh
all of you people are pathetic. do some paath.
DHAN DHAN BHAI RAM SINGH JI
DHAN DHAN SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI
shinda can i ask u one ting r u taksali?
Naw, not quite there yet, but maybe someday…
guru sahib kirpa karan, maybe one day we can all be true taksalees
okay i dont get this..u people are talking as if taksalis are better than sikhs??? :S ws up wid dat?? i always thought and still do that a taksali is a person who belongs to the taksali jatha right?..but a taksali is a taksali only after they are a sikh right?? so im confused,…or r u all saying that a person could be a sikh but they gota work harder to be a taksali??? im like HUHH
:s 
??? OR r u sayin that a taksali is a khalsaa??
really confused.
dude all im seyn is yeh these taksali followers, now look i ain seyn all taksalis are bad, bt they went around puttin up pictures of the namdhari satguru with a cross through it asking the question ‘who is your guru?’ now if taksalis is the way 2 go why do they oppose every one? nihungs have carried the tradition of doin jhatka, bhang and having all three granths present most of the time? Now all of a sudden taksalis think they are wrong and shoudn’t be doin this? also why do taksalis hav 2 CHANGE history and reqrite it to suit them? NO ONE can do that! u kno what yeh i don’t see whats so bad about namdharis theyre reaching god the way they want too… why cant evry one else do it in their own way! and STOP CYBER PREACHING PLEASE this is begging to aggrevate alot of people and well its not very good because the internet is segregating different sikhs!
FATEH!
ohh and sorri no i DO NOT want to be a taksali at alllllllllll!! i wanna read in to sikhi my own way and the aim is NOT to be a taksali… in my eyes anyway? and what is so special about taksalis? hmm please ansa my question fully and dont leave anything out…
Taksals a school, for one to be Taksali means for that person to have graduated from that school. No one said anything about Taksali’s being something other then Sikh. Its a school where people go to learn Gurmat.Sarab, Naamdharis are not Sikh, Simple as that. They are not a type of Sikh, nor will they ever be. Taksal doesn’t oppose everyone what are you smoking? Taksal has always recognized Nihangs and nihang traditions. Taksal does parkash of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. Taksal doesn’t condone eating of meat, and therefore doesn’t eat it. A good number of Singhs who go to school or learn from Taksal are Nihangs. It was Baba Deep Singh a NIHANG who acted as Taksal’s first jatehdar. It was Tarna Dal and Bidhi Chand, nihangs who helped establish Taksal at mehta chowk by donating the land. Taksal hasn’t changed history to suit them, its the backward thinking Naamdharis who have turned there back on Bhai Ram Singhs letters, and have adopted the dey dhari Guru ship, by twisting and distoring history to say that Guru Gobind Singh passed on the Guru-gadhi, when all ithyaasic granths say otherwise.
You are free to go your way, no one is stopping you. The fact remains that Naamdharis are not Sikhs. They have turned there back on Sri Guru Granth Sahib by accepting a dehdhari Guru, and are therefore in no way affiliated with the Panth.
ghareeai sabad sachee taksaal
so just as g said, everyone should strive to be a true taksaali, with bani minted into their mind in such a way that they never forget akaal purakh
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dude thats all cool yh wat evry one under my post has sed… but people who call themselves ‘taksalis’ down here r 2 raw. they go around dissin evry one who ain like them, i always associated taksalis with akj, because of their way of doin keertan. but i stand firm when i say raag IS the only way! with guru dhe saaj. and also some one rote down the longg line lol that u shudnt let naamdharis into your house? whats that about? and there has been many times where namdharis were doing keertan at a local gurdwara (with sri aadh granth sahib present) and they have either been ran out of the gurdwara or been ‘dissed’ and been verbally abused with harsh language! also their guru has been offended to, and i didnt at all feel this right because these people from outside were tellin namdharis to get out of the gurdwara because ‘ they were not allowed’ but didnt our guru’s say that any one is allowed in the guru’s ghar? im jus well confused and i REALLY do not have a problem with namdharis they believe in the first 10 and do read all the granths, its just that they hav a deydhari guru… BIG WOOP i’ve seen loads of old bibiyan doin paree haath to nex badhaey who are ment to have ’special powers’ surely it is the same thing??? hmm pls ansa all my q’s!
oh and i found this frm a SANATAN sikhi site.. vview on namdharis
‘Though the Namdhari Sikhs do not believe in the Adi Guru Durbar as Guru, this does not imply that they do not respect or revere the sacred scripture. The manner in which Namdharis relate to Adi Guru Durbar is analogous to how mainstream Sikhs view Dasam Guru Durbar. They look upon the teachings as ‘Gurbani’ (Guru’s holy words), but not as ‘Guru’. Namdharis in no way disrespect Adi Guru Durbar, or for that matter Dasam Guru Durbar. Indeed, from experience, they show more respect towards Adi Guru Durbar than the vast majority of Sikhs who claim it to be their Guru. The elderly Namdharis in particular are firm in their ‘Rehit’ (code of conduct) as they understand it.’
and
‘Like the Udasis of today and Akali Nihangs of past, Namdharis do ‘Havans’ (burning of sacrificial fires with incense and ghee) whilst reciting Sikh scripture. The havan is also central to their weddings, they also circumvallate the sacred fire, rather than Sikh holy scriptures as is usual mainstream Sikh practice.’
and
‘They hold Adi Guru Durbar and Dasam Guru Durbar as equal in light of being holy Sikh scriptures.’
chek it for yourself…
http://www.sarbloh.info/htmls/article_samparda_namdhari15.html
Sarab,
1) No one’s debating Raag Kirtan, or the fact that Naamdharis are good at it. More power to them. Raag is the way Guru Sahib intended for bani to be sung, I agree 100%. There is no debate here. The fact that a majority of Kirtani’s have moved away from Gurmat Sangeet is a weakness and a recognized weakness in the Panth, but the Panth has taken great steps to restore this traditition.
2) As for Naamdharis in Gurdwara’s. I have nothing against Naamdharis, Goray or anyone else coming to a Gurdwara to offer there respects to Sri Guru Granth Sahib, but putting those on stage who practice and deal in anti gurmat affairs have no place on the Gurus stage addressing the Guru’s sangat, be it as it may if they are punjabi and from Sikh homes, if they drink, smoke etc. They should never be the ones leading the Darbaar. The fact that this happens shows a weakness, but does not make it acceptable.
3) The problem is exactly that. For a Sikh there is no Guru but Gurbani. We trivalize Guru Sahib and his Sikhiya by holding these dehdharis on the equal stage. No tur Sant, Baba, or mahpurkh allows themselves to be raised to this level for they have true and genuine understanding. So having a dehdhari Guru is basicallly turning around and completly ignoring the teachings of the first 10 Guru’s who all stressed, Bani Guru, Guru Hai Bani. That’s why there is a big WOOP.
4) Old bibian may do a lot of things. They howl when love ones die, and sob and curse at the birth of daughters. This does not make it right, it just shows their ignorance and a weakness in the Panth for not having yet been able to educate these people. The fact that these people Baba’s Giani’s etc, encourage allow such treatment does not again make it right. Just highlights a problem within the Panth.
5) The Snataan Sites you have mentioned have come across much scruitny in the past many years for various and obvious reasons.
- Articles have been changed more then one would care to remember after the iditiocy of these scholars was brought to light. To save face they have since gone out and deleted most of there own threads on various message boards that reveal there intentions and beliefs.
- More then not articles are written in such a manour to raise and cause contraversy. They misquote and take things out of context more then not. Their beliefs do not coincide entirley or completly with those of the individuals they hope to represent. It was for those reasons that many individuals who are part of these organizations have spoken against these sites and the individuals behind them.
- When approched in person about there beliefs by wiser and elder Gursikhs, these individuals act like cowards, or babbling fools unable to defend themselves, quickly running to the next venue where they hope they won’t face opposition.
6) For Naamdharis to respect Sri Guru Granth Sahib is fine, in the past many Muslims have shown Sri Guru Granth Sahib respect as have many Hindus. This however does not make them Sikhs. For that reason if you want to respect Naamdhari’s as being a seperate religion then by all means go ahead. I’m even sure that hindu’s will accept Naamdharis as being an offshoot or branch of Hinduism. But never can such groups be considered Sikhs or a limb of the Khalsa Panth. Look at the historical proof of other groups, individuals such as Raam Rai; who turned his back on Guru Sahib and started his own Panth and was therefore boycotted from the Panth. Even though his father was Guru, no decendants of Ram Rai are to be associated with to this day, nor are they give the status of being Sikh.
Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
dude the onli true khalsa is the khalsa that was initiated in 1699, in front of guru gobind singh ji! and singhs who hav kept that and who respect all THREE granths. but naamdharis ARE sikh! end off they are not an offshoot, theyre not a branch they ARE sikh! who are u to deny any one of being sikh? and who are you to judge who is sikh and who isnt sikh?
THEY RESPECT SIRI AADH GRANTH SAHIB AND ALL THREE GRANTHS they just hav a LIVING guru? now our 10 gurus were all living am i right? so why can they not hav a living guru? whats the difference? there isn’t any! if the namdhari satguru was there in mark of respect for the guru i would bow down to him! also whats wrong witth paarey hath? all im saying is respect naamdharis, theyre beliefs, theyre maryada because there will be a day when you are challenged and you will not know what is going on!
P.S FOLLOW ALL THREE GRANTHS AND YOU WILL FIND YOUR PATH TO ENLIGHTEMNENT… THIS IS MY LAST POST YOU CAN GO ON ALL YOU WANT! THATS IT NO MORE CYBER PREACHIN 4 ME IM GIVIN UP MY PREACHIN DAYS!
HAVE FUN BATTLIN YOUR VIEWS AGAINST NAMDHARI SIKHS!
So the conclusion of the debate seems to be that Naamdharis are not sikhs. The living Guru of the Sikhs is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Mahaaraaj, and anyone who does not except this is not a Sikh of Guru Sahib. At the end of the day when Sarbat Khalsa is called on to make decisions about the Panth, Naamdhari’s are not called. The End.
no no no hang on namdharis are sikhs, they believe in the first 10 gurus! they carried on havans which the S.G.P.C did not accept, they beleev in doin simran, they hav the amrit ceremony, they do everything AND MORE so why aren’t they sikhs!NAMDHARIS ARE SIKHS! WE COULD SAY THEY ARE MORE ‘SIKH’ THEN THESE BANDHEY WHO GO ROUND SHAVIN THEYRE BEARD NAD SMOKIN N DRINKIN DOIN NASHA! END OFF! NAMDHARIS ARE SIKHS!
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THEY ARE NOT!!!
shinda y are you crossing out my posts?
freedom of speach and then you change my posts? wdf is this message board!
“shinda y are you crossing out my posts?…”
Because I can
“freedom of speach and then you change my posts? wdf is this message board!”
It’s not a message board – it’s his blog and he can do what he likes on it. Your comment is still there – it’s just been crossed thru to show you what he thinks of it.
waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru waheguru
Amritdhari (baptised sikhs) are not going to believe in any living Guru Sahib past Guru Gobind Singh ji, the only other group of Sikhs mentioned in the Sikh Rehat Marayada (SGPC not Taksal) are Sahajdhari Sikhs:
(i) Who professes the Sikh Religion, believes in one God, follows the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib and Ten Gurus only;
(ii) Who performs all the ceremonies according to the Sikh rites;
(iii) Who does not smoke, use tobacco, kutha (Halal Meat) in any forms;
(iv) Who does not take alcoholic in any forms drinks;
(v) Who is born in not Sikh family, but not a Patit.
Therefore any person smoking, drinking and believing in any living Gurus is not a Sikh.
The issue here is not “Namdharis have got it all wrong”, they can believe whatever they want. BUT they are not Sikhs, and to call them such is an insult to the Khalsa Panth.
How this is still being argued by pro-namdhari people is beyond me?
oi lissn yeh ive had enouff honestly! SGPC is not khalsa! KHALSA IS AKAAL PURAKH KI FAUJ!
DHAN DHAN DHAN AKALI SATGURU GOBIND SINGH JI MAHARAAAJ!
its honestly common sense……a sikh has to have a guru, and there is only 1 satguru, so since me and u both got different gurus, there is no way we can both be Sikhs. Now i know Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaaj is the only true satguru. Hence, The only Sikhs are those of Guru Granth Sahib Jee maharaaj and NO ONE else.
Shinda Singh said “Taksal hasn’t changed history to suit them,”
So how come Taksal is not mentioned in any Puratan Granth or historical source, or even in Mahan Kosh? Why are the Jathedars, when mentioned in old texts, not even related to Taksal but mentioned as part of another Dera or Nirmala Jatha? It’s quite obvious their so called lineage of Jathedars has been completely fabricated and Taksal never existed in Guru Ji’s time. And it’s quite obvious who Baba Bishan Singh Muraleywale gave the power of his Dera to – it certainly was not Baba Sundar Singh.
So in this respect yes Taksal has changed history to attempt to prove they are a Puratan group started by Guru Gobind Singh, when infact absolutely zero evidence shows this. To this truth I expect the only brainless refutation will be “do not question Baba Ji” or “do you think Sant Ji would lie”…
Read any Puratan history text. You will never find a mention of Taksal because it didn’t exist. There is lots of “Taksali” literature available now but this only in the 20th century. Before then there is nothing.
Brothers and sisters, chill. Namdharis term us, amritdhari sikhs, “orthodox” in their website. Therefore, they are already admitting us to be followers of AND CONFORMING TO AN ESTABLISHED DOCTRINE OF A RELIGION.sikhism in our case. you see, akal purakh is with us. the truth, is, unknowingly, already spilt out by them on their own website. they do regard us as the followers of the one true satguru, sri guru granth sahib ji. let them do what they want, we have god on our side.
Sri akaal purakh sahai.
The people posting on this site are pathetic! First off, lets get the record straight, someone wrote ..
“they dont obay or believe in their hukams such as GURU MANEYO GRANTH…
or from khalsa mehima Guru Granth Sahib, Guru Khalsa Panth”
The line that all non-Namdharis seem read in their Ardas “…Guru Maneyo granth”.. who wrote it? I’m sure a lot of you uneducated fools would love to think it was Guru Gobind Singh Ji. But it was some kavi… I believe his name was Bhai Pralad Singh in the early 1900s. But now, all of a sudden, its read in every ardas as if its the words of Guru Gobind Singh himself. What a joke!
Secondly, How about non-Namdharis starting Asa di Var at 9:00 am to cater to all the late-waking followers? LOL! You will never see Asa di Var read in a Namdhari gurudwara after sunrise. The time its SUPPOSED to be read and finished is BEFORE sunrise.
Thirdly, if you are so concerned with who is following the true path of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, just walk into any gurudwara. A “mainstream” or “non-Namdhari” Gurudwara is 90% filled with Monay! You walk into a Namdhari Gurudwara and it is 99% Sardars. Hmmm… I wonder who’s doing things right. So you “Mainstream” Sikhs can say whatever you want, but at the end of the day, its you guys who all end up Monay, have Akand Paats and your houses one day and then fill up your fridges with booze and meat the next. I’m sooo glad I was brought up a Namdhari! My Guru keeps me on the right path. I’m not saying I’m the best Namdhari or the best Sikh for that matter, but if it wasnt for my Guru , maybe I’d end up a mona “mainstream” Sikh like the rest of you. You guys make me laugh.
I have a question for all you “Sikhs” out there. Why do all you Monay “Sikhs” wear Karas and treat it like some sacred religious symbol when at the same time, you have hair-cuts and eat meat. Why even wear the kara? Wouldn’t it be easier to just change your name to Mohammed… you’re already half way there.
Oh ya,
Even though I’m not a historian by any means I do know this:
1. Satguru Ram Singh Ji was the first person in history to give amrit to women.
2. Namdharis CREATED the present-day Sikh Wedding Ceremony. Before Namdharis there was no-such thing as a “Sikh” Wedding. So next time any of you are at a wedding hearing Guru Teg Bahadur Ji’s hymms, keep that in mind.
These are just 2 examples of how Namdhari’s helped the entire Sikh religion. Although, we aren’t looking for any recognition or anything. I know there are many other examples of how Namdhari’s contributed to the entire Sikh panth but it would require me to do some research. If anyone is interested, write me a post and I’ll do my homework. =)
P.S. To reiterate my previous posting, look at the percentage of “Sikhs” that are Monay compared to the percentage of Namdhari-Sikhs that are Monay. LOL… you be the judge for yourself on who is the “true” Sikh. You all seem to have no problem banning Namdharis from mainstream gurudwaras but the Monay are welcomed with open arms. Can someone explain this to me?
kulwant moorakhaaa, bhai joga singh was coming from his anand karaj he literally left during the lavaan, when he had thoughts about going into the brothel.
also, most gurdwaras start asa di vaar at 6, some earlier at 5.
also moorakha, ram singh said he wasnt guru, but u moorakhs keep saying he was.
and u say ur not a historian, so shut the $@#@ up, and dont preach about history when u dont know #@@#
Hello Historian,
I might not be a great historian like yourself but I do know that it was the Namdharis that started the Anand Karaj that we know today. And it was Satguru Ram Singh Ji that first gave amrit to Singhnis. Those 2 points I am sure of. One doesnt have to be a great historian like yourself to know that. In response to your Asa di Var point, I’ve seen mainstream Gurudwaras start Asa di Var well after 5AM. Even if they start at 6AM like you stated, that still would mean that it is not completed before Sunrise. Hence, not in accordance to Guru’s maryada. But that’s OK. The mainstream Sikhs created and/or changed a lot of “rules” after Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Maybe that is just one of them…. Lunch Time Asa di Var.
I believe it states in the Gurbani that (and I’m para-phrasing) “Once a Sant calls himself a sant, he is no longer saintly”. I’m sure Guru Ram Singh wasnt the first Guru to say that he wasn’t the Guru, just a man of God, preaching His word. Its called being a truly Saintly person. A person on the level of Guru would surely not go around saying “Yeah, I’m the Messiah, believe in me guys! I’m the man with the plan!” Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji does not allow us to say his name during ardas when they are present.
Its also interesting to note that you choose not to address 2 little things in my posting:
1. The fact that 90% of your gurdwaras are filled with monay!
2. The fact that your ardas contains quotes from Kavi’s and the many of the mainstream population is believing its the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself!
Lastly, the fact that you use profanity and try to put others down just shows what level of spirituality you have reached. You should try to be a better Sikh.
waaheguru ji
kulwant singh ji
bolehi koor saakath mukh kaaraa ||4||
The faithless cynic barks out his lies, and his face is blackened. ||4||
“Round and Round and Round we go..when we’ll stop nobody knows”
Kulwant Singh, lets answer your questions very breifly:
1. The fact that 90% of your gurdwaras are filled with monay!
Monay (those who cut there hair) have gone against Guru Sahibs hukam of keeping Kes. Why they cut there hair, thats for them to tell you. However it is well known and respected within the Panth that one must keep there kes in tact to fall into the mold of a Sikh. You are right those who do cut there hair are not much different then Hindu’s or muslims or christians. At the same time just because one calls themself a Sikh, does not make one a Sikh, just like I assume that just because one considers themselves a Naamdhari doesn’t nessasary make them one.
2. “The fact that your ardas contains quotes from Kavi’s and the many of the mainstream population is believing its the words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself!”
I’m guessing this is the main peice of propaganda fed to Naamdharis and all others who have Dehdhari Guru’s that such tukhs are not Gurbani, after all they refute your entire belief system and existance.
Firstly to say that these tukhs first appeared in 1900’s is ignorant and foolish on its own. This is espeically true when Pothis can be found at the various ithyaasic Gurdwara’s and Takhats where you can find Pothis & Saroops dated before the 1900’s and many before in and before the 1800’s. Some of these Saroops have also found there way to the West. I could go on about this and further try to prove this to you, but I think if you really cared for the truth then you will be able to accomplish this much on your own.
3. The Anand Karaj point you have been making has to be the most absurd. Firstly it was Guru Arjan Dev Sahib Ji who wrote the Lavaan, not Sri Guru Tegh Bahadaur Sahib Ji as you have been implying. To suggest that Guru Sahiban did not have Anand Karaj prior to Baba Raam Singh Ji, is utterly rediculous, how does you logic support the recorded Anand Karaj’s of all Guru Sahiban? From Guru Nanak Dev Ji upto when the Lavaan where formalized, Sikhs did Anand Karaj and lavaan with *** Ji Sahib pothis.
4. Guru’s not calling or considering themselves Guru. You should really read the letters of Baba Ram Singh before you continue. These letters clearly state that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the true Guru after Guru Gobind Singh Ji. They also go on to write on how it hurts them that such titles of Guru are being placed on them.
Bhai Gurdaas Ji’s vaaran talk about the Guru’s and even there it is written that you will see 10 Guru’s with the 11th being Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Again I will leave it on you, if you are in search of the truth to confirm this for yourself.
Anyways thats enough on that. If you really want the truth then I’m more then postive that you are fully capable of finding it.
WTF is this, pure basti thats all i have to say!
“Jithay JAHAY BAHA mera Satguru, so thaan sohava”
“Bani Guru, guru hai bani vich bani amrit saray, Gurbani kahay, savek jun manay thud PARTUK guru nustaray”
NOTICE THE WORDS IN CAPS. The second quote is of particular importance because a lot of non-Namdhari Sikhs use the line “Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani” to justify that the Granth Sahib is the Guru, end of story. Conveniently, they never seem to say the line right after it. “…thud PARTUK guru nustaray.” Every instance where the word “guru” is used in the Granth Sahib it refers to a person. No where does it imply it can be a book.
“Aad unth akay AVTARA sohee guru sumjaeoo humara”
aaah kulwant singh please stop talking its wasting breath cn you just goo now, like dissapear,your posts are hurting myeyes.. why dont we all just go n do simran waheguruwaheguruwaheguru japooo
doing nindiia of other people–not a sikh attribute is it? yet u guys still sit here and talk badly of other people… jus be concerned with your own actions do your own simran and as long as you belive what you are doing is right, stay true to your self and your guru ji and akaal purakh will watch over you. by having bad thoughts about others and saying bad things about them you are only polluting your own mind and not allowing your soul to be clean, if you ever feel angry jus do some simran… you’ll feel better after wards, trust me!
and in regards to the ‘kookay gone wild’ post, i think it’s a bit rude that you are making fun of this old man. he is simply expressing his love and devotion to god, it is an ancient form of meditation called ‘mastana’. i think what he is doing is beautifull, he can not control his actions, it is known that people reach that state of ‘mastane’ when they are in connection with god and usually reach that level after namsimran or listening to the word’s of guru ji (keertan). maybe implying that no one these day’s reach that level of mastana because they are never truley connected with god, keertan isn’t fufilling enough?
any reply’s would be handy, would like to know what ya’ll think
yeah
yeah……
im soo glad 2 b namdhari look hiow confused u !@#!@# r! hahahaha spgc looooooooool u clwons wats next all ur gurdwars guna b in detention n that
Vicky Dhillon asks all you naamdharis to get out and vote for me for councillor ward 9 and 10. I will help make that Kookay Gone Wild dvd you have been anticipating.If your Guru is who he says he is lets see if he can perform the miracle of getting Mandeep Dhaliwal more than 2 votes.
u lot all shut up now pleasee!!!!!! chat 222222 much mess juss live your lives how u want 2 mann and stop cyber preaching u dum sgpc arse lickers! please jus every one do what u want… and most importanly do what u think is right!!!!
Sarab Singh – please kindly learn to write English. SGPC is a body wherein people are voted by election, there is no “A**E licking” concerned, unlike cults like the Namdharis, where the Sangat have no say in who governs them. The Sikhs are governed by Guru Sahib and always will be via his three form roop in Granth, Panth and the Punj Pyare, there are plenty of references for even the lay man to support this from the writings of Guru Sahib themselves in the Sri Sarabloh Parkash.
Kulwant Singh – I am not a great historian either, however your points are extremely empty. For the benefit of all, lets discuss these here:
You stated:
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This is nothing but a lie. The Nirankaris claim the same. Both are blantantly incorrect and the latter group are clearly part of what now consitutes the ostricised groups for the Khalsa Panth. To explain why in a short statement, the Namdharis go about a Vedi much like the Brahmins and claim that this is how the earlier Gurus were married – this is not the whole story though, what they forget is, the weddings of say Guru Nanak Dev Ji or Guru Amar Das Ji, may well have been conducted around a Vedi, but it was fully in line with the Vedic tradition i.e. no Lavan were recited, so the Namdhari wedding is far from that in many respects, so this argument hardly holds, moreover, the Anand Karaj wedding of the Khalsa Panth has been in existence before the Namdharis as witnessed by its mention in the earlier Khalsa Rehitnamas. FYI, the Nirankari wedding is not the same as the Anand Karaj and they were not the inventors of this tradition either.
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This again is a lie, since Singhnis were given Amrit by Sardar Jassa Singh Ahluwalia under the Dal Khalsa too.
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Kulwant Singh, lets got start this – lunch time asa di var is streching it a little too far and this is not approved practice nor common. On the contrary it is common amongst Kukas who on one hand perserve traditions of Chandi Paath and recitiation of Akal Ustat et al, yet can be seen in many instances not even commencing their self contocted havan maryadas until way after sunset, this is only one thing, another includes the gross lack of nitnem which is replaced by fast rotations of your white rosaries and the common trend amongst most Namdharis to wear regular dastaars and switch back to their flat versions when their Satguru arrives – little more than dress up? The same is true for their so called vegetarian diet and sodh ishnaan. The list is endless, but this is hardly the point, there are bad apples every where, the point under discussion is the blantant lies and propaganda counter to all historical and other evidence.
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This is little more than hogwash. What would be more interesting is when Baba Ram Singh returns from his supposed exile – has your present Guru not vowed to remain alive until Baba Ram Singh returns? Well, I guess judging by Baba Jagjit Singh’s age and present health, it seems this day may arise within our lifetimes, let’s see what happens thereafter…much like the present situation of the Taksal.
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Kulwant Singh – you write as if you can comprehend English and have decent processing abilities (a lot more than others on this thread), but sadly you raise such nonsense points. In any event, Shinda Singh has answered these for you. But maybe you could let us all know why Namdharis get married in white and no make up or jewelley and then later exchange colourful suits and sets in the car park in supposed secrecy? Why do most Namdhari Musicians regard the injunctions of your Satguru on eating meat and drinking alcohol? This list is endless and pointless to the wider discussion.
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The majority of the mainstream population do not believe this, just like I doubt that the majority of the Namdhari population believe that Baba Jagjit Singh is not their Guru but only a representative, despite many elderly Namdharis I met in Bhani Sahib stating this.
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This a message equally if not more appropriate for your Namdhari Brethren like Sarab Singh who can barely string a sentence together in English let alone not use profanities…talking of which, how about you tell this to the sons of your Satguru Jagjit Singh, who can be commonly heard use such language (”mah di” and “bhain di” style)
There are a lot of other more technical points to discuss, if you are willing I am more than happy to have this discussion (on amicable grounds) here or take it to a more formal forum – let me know.
Pyaar,
Singh Khalsa.
Kulwant Singh Says:
May 5th, 2006 at 11:58 am
“Jithay JAHAY BAHA mera Satguru, so thaan sohava”
“Bani Guru, guru hai bani vich bani amrit saray, Gurbani kahay, savek jun manay thud PARTUK guru nustaray”
NOTICE THE WORDS IN CAPS. The second quote is of particular importance because a lot of non-Namdhari Sikhs use the line “Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani” to justify that the Granth Sahib is the Guru, end of story. Conveniently, they never seem to say the line right after it. “…thud PARTUK guru nustaray.”
I thought about this alot, and I understand what you guys are saying but….
the problem is that you see Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj as a book, not the light of the Guru’s.
The same way that Mehta Kalu saw Guru Nanak Dev Ji (Who we can safely agree was a human, but the pure light of God also) as a person.
This is the only problem. You dont see Guru Ji Hazar Nazar (present), all you have to do is open your eyes and you’ll see the beauty within Guru Sahib – just take that one step.
Whatever understanding Guru Sahib gives anyone is beautiful, just dont bash other peoples views (both parties) simply because we do not understand them. Instead try to educate in a civil manner.
All this “you niggh ah you more shook than a pina colada maker” is amusing but anti gurmat guys
To Singh Khalsa:
If you like, I can prepare a few points on why Namdhari believe in Gurus after 10. But I fail to see what this will accomplish to be honest…. I will prepare some points, you will try to unprove them, we get no where.
To be honest, I dont really care what people believe. I DO care when people create blog sites that are dedicated to bashing and putting down others. The title of this blog “Kookay Gone Wild” is an example of this. People who put down others are just people who are not happy with themselves. People who put down others’ beliefs are people who are not totally content with thier own. If they were, they would not make the effort to knock down others, just continue believing what they believe. Simple psychology.
I have met my Guru, looked into their eyes and I know what I felt. No one can ever take that away from me. No one can deny me what I feel in the presence of my Guru. At the end of the day, THAT is all that is important. When I see my Guru, I see God. You all can say whatever you want about me… “I’m brainwashed”, “I’m full of sh*t”, whatever… I’ll still be walking down the street with a smile on my face. I will die a happy man. I was fortunate enough to be born a Namdhari. I was fortunate enough to get Dharshan from my Guru.
I hope you all find happiness down your respective paths… I’ve found mine.
P.S. Do you think people like me care even 1% if some Gyani somewhere makes some rules that exclude me from being a “Sikh”? Only my Guru can declare I’m no longer a Sikh. Not some Gyani-Comittee somewhere.
P.P.S. Since this might be my last posting on this site (although I have a feeling it might not be) all I want to say is this: I recently went to India and saw the level is Sikhi that’s left in Punjab. Its pretty disheartening to say the least. Instead of all you mainstream Sikhs trying to disprove or knock Namdharis, you should seriously direct your efforts on the entire generation of “Sikhs” that will end up monay with no religion. The situation in Punjab is dire. The majority of people dont care about Sikhi there. Same can be said about Toronto or other world cities. Ask yourself: What are you doing to improve this threat to Sikhism? I’ll tell you one thing… Namdhari-bashing isnt part of the solution. Wake up people.
no need to get ur panties in a bunch.
I’m sorry for my repsonse. I hope I did not offend anyone. This blog is the only place I can come to, to release myself of the negative feelings I get throughout the day. It’s not easy being *** naamdhari …I hope ya’ll understand. Thanks for listening to my ****. I will be off now.
P.S. disregard the **** i say after this post, i have a split-brain and i cannto control what my right or left hands do.
edumacation: I wear Kasharas (keepin it gangsta)
Kulwant Singh (The imposter): Its not that I’m a *** Namdhari, its just that your mom is so f*cken ugly that she looks like a man. And its because of my split-brain your punk *** was born!
Shinda dont u think it is abit rude that u calledthe post kookay going wild? ive actualli done some research into this and this is a form of extreme meditation.
For example u must of heard of the ramdev dude! now he preaches yoga and MEEDITATION! this guy who is going mastana in the video has done soo much meditation and praying and god has acknowledged this… Also the shabad being sung has a meaning :
mY baurI myrw rwmu Bqwru ]
ric ric qw kau krau isMgwru ]1]
Bly inMdau Bly inMdau Bly inMdau logu ]
qnu mnu rwm ipAwry jogu ]1] rhwau ]
bwdu ibbwdu kwhU isau n kIjY ]
rsnw rwm rswienu pIjY ]2]
Ab jIA jwin AYsI bin AweI ]
imlau gupwl nIswnu bjweI ]3]
ausqiq inMdw krY nru koeI ]
nwmy sRIrMgu Bytl soeI ]4]4]
mai bouree maeraa raam bhathaar ||
rach rach thaa ko karo si(n)gaar ||1||
bhalae ni(n)dho bhalae ni(n)dho bhalae ni(n)dho log ||
than man raam piaarae jog ||1|| rehaao ||
baadh bibaadh kaahoo sio n keejai ||
rasanaa raam rasaaein peejai ||2||
ab jeea jaan aisee ban aaee ||
milo gupaal neesaan bajaaee ||3||
ousathath ni(n)dhaa karai nar koee ||
naamae sreera(n)g bhaettal soee ||4||4||
I am crazy – the Lord is my Husband.
I decorate and adorn myself for Him. ||1||
Slander me well, slander me well, slander me well, O people.
My body and mind are united with my Beloved Lord. ||1||Pause||
Do not engage in any arguments or debates with anyone.
With your tongue, savor the Lord’s sublime essence. ||2||
Now, I know within my soul, that such an arrangement has been made;
I will meet with my Lord by the beat of the drum. ||3||
Anyone can praise or slander me.
Naam Dayv has met the Lord. ||4||4||
that explains why this guy is going mastana! YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH GURU GRANTH SAHIB MAHARAJ! so dont take the piss out of GURU GRANTH SAHIB JEE by posting this stupid topic of kookay goin ‘WILD’.
let me ask u one question… if you met allmighty Waheguru wud u still stay sane?
Yo Kalwant Singh.. its becuase of what you just said… that we say KUKAY GONE WILD
oh yeah another thing.. your comment was submitted at 12:16 am … is this what you think about in the middle of the night? maybe that explains the behaviour observed in the video posted by Shinda Singh Ji Maharaj …
I’ve said what I had to say regarding this topic. Now I’m here for purely the entertainment aspect of it.
B… first off… my name is Kulwant not Kalwant.
Second.. you wanna talk about “Gone Wild”, how about Sikhs pulling out kirpans in Gurudwaras and using them on others because of a dispute over sitting on the floor for langar as opposed to table and chairs! I wish someone made a movie of that! That would probably have been more entertaining than the Namdhari Mastana.
How about ladies “massaging” the legs of the stand that the Granth Sahib sits on? I’ve seen a movie of this happeneing. Pretty wild stuff. How about treating the Granth Sahib like a person, giving it an elaborate bed to “sleep” on. “Woken up” in the morning (prakash), put to “sleep” at night (santokhna). Even going to the extend of leaving fans/AC units on in the “bedroom” where the Granth Sahib is kept. Borderline idol-worship if you ask me. Again… some may consider this “Gone Wild”… but not as wild as hand-to-hand combat in the Langar hall… LOL.
Thirdly… since when 12:16 am considered the middle of the night? What are you? 12 years old? I guess if you start counting “night” at 6:00 PM, it would be in the middle of the night.
Lastly, I know others have wrote this in previous postings, but I’ll reiterate. There were mastane throughout Sikh history. From Guru Nanak onwards there were people that had so much love for their Guru, it tripped them out.
Also, Namdharis are known to do some of the best kirtan in the world. Sometimes, I find myself getting “lost” or “high” in the kirtan when I listen to Namdhari Kirtan. Anytime I go to a mainstream Gurudwara, they are always doing some simple karva (8 beat) shabad that I the average 12 year old musician mastered years ago. Its pretty hard to go mastana over that. I’m not disrespecting the Bani being read or anything, its just that simple raags and simple 8-beat shabads are pretty elementary when you compare it to the level of Classical music Namdharis do their kirtan in.
I’m not saying I’ve never heard Awesome kirtan performed by Non-Namdharis, its just pretty rare (from my experiance). One was from a group (of 3) Ragis and one of them played a violin! Pretty cool. And they weren’t Namdhari! So you guys could search them up if you like and not feel guilty listening to them. See… I like to hook up my Namdhari and Non-Namdhari brethens alike.
LOL… Langar Hall fight club… thats classic. I heard it later erupted into a giant food fight… dal and dhariis everywhere… crazy sh*t.
no one listened to my post then? how is that nam-simran going?
“Kul” means death and and ur “want”ing it .. so with that post, your just asking for your death
BTW its not Namdhari kirtan its Akaal purakhs keertan… no matter how u do it your still praising him, even tho it has been prescribed in raag format (WHICH NAMDHARIS DO) its still not Namdhari Kirtan!
i declare war against naamdharis ..
LOL i wouldn’t if i were u! but go 4 it we see if u survive!!!!!!
dont u worry bout me, i will survive …its the naamdharis that wont .. (sarb singh, u naamdhari as well?)
B… I dont know where you’re going with translating half my name in Punjabi and the other half English. If that is supposed to be a threat or something.. bring it. I’m 6′0″ and weigh in at 215 lbs of muscle. Straight Namdhari Gyangsta. I’d make u sh*t your tightie-whities bro. And I say tightie-whities because NONE and I repeat N-O-N-E of my non-Namdhari Sikh friends where kasharas (and I’m talking about the sardars). Same applies to you “i declare war”. Too many cyber-thugs running around now-a-days.
ATZ: I know, I haven’t been doing my 1 hour a day of nam-simran (as per Satguru’s Ji’s hukam). I think I’m going to start doing that again.
Oi man u cyber thug! your probably sum lil choowa! u 2 scared 2 share your name and no i am not a namdhari! but i respect their Satguru Ji! Say what you want coz your the pussi thats gunna start this war and ule b the first one 2 die!
oi dat video iz messed, u ppl sure its not coz of der old age or somthin dat dey goin crazy, if not den dats really bad. Dat iz disrespectfull 2 bani. so if who eva does dat or doesnt believe in da guru granth sahib iz not a sikh. Also u namdhari’s n non namdhari’s need 2 stop fightin n swearin at each other coz dat doesnt help n e thing. As we all want one thing n dats b wiv waheguru n i personally think u can do dat wiv da help ov da guru granth sahib not by makin a religous baba a guru.
Kulwant Singh u said:
“Straight Namdhari Gyangsta. I’d make u sh*t your tightie-whities bro.”
lets get one thing straight your NO WHERE close to being a “gangster” if anything your someone with no life trying to act ganster. As many people have said, its time you leave this blog and never come back, you just keep digging yourself a deeper whole everytime you decide to talk, so please do us all a favour and just dissapear.
Loved the video on the Wild Kookey.
The only thing is guys..those who watch the video and dont know much about sikhi will get a wrong impression of true sikhi…we shouldnt bother advertising this crazy stuff..”mastanna” is a load of bull..the Guru’s all reached enlightenment, but never acted in such a manor….Doing kirtan in a certain raag affects the soul in a certain way sure…but this is not admirable compared to the fact that namdharis do the kirtan for their OWN guru
Nuff respect to your message:
Dont hate them, but dont tolerate them either.
They are no different to any christian, muslim, or hindu you would see on the street, simply because they reject Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. So we can call them “sikhs”.
Stick together guys.. I feel i have to say this after reading this article: http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.776820.0.sikh_attacked.php
stick up for your fellow bretherin.
WJKWJF
As for Kulwant, Calling Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji a “book” is upmost hurtful to the majority who seeking the true path of sikhi.
Shinda, u really should ban his ***…. I know we should ignore them whatever, but he goes against everuthing we stand for and fort for, he mocks the matyrs, the char sahibzadey, and all our brothers and sisters who fought for the right of sikhi and our guru.
Btw off topic, didnt one of their Gurus run of with a teenager? (UK)
yo lets end this straight up, kulwanti, bring all ur kookay boys and well bring khalsa de fauj, name the time and place and well see who prevails
Kulwant
Keertan is not about tunes. It’s about Gurbani. Unfortunately you are so misled by your ” Guru” that you’ll never know about this. Sad…
Kulwant ‘Singh’… doesn’t your name contradict your beliefs? I heard somethin about Naamdhari’s don’t believe in Khalsa, or maybe im wrong.
oviously Sim u know nothing about your own religion? have u ever chated to people about pratan maryada and what used to go on in the Guru’s court NO so i suggest u shut up do your research then come back and apologise!
I once again state that i am NOT a namdhari but what is wrong with their belief? If they are beeing mis lead then its for them to work out! Also y are you critisisng let Namdharis beleev wat they want to and u beleev in Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj jee as beeing the guru and we all b cool!
The dumest thing i hav ever heard! Kookey goin WILD how wrong could you be…
Sim quoted:
‘Btw off topic, didnt one of their Gurus run of with a teenager? (UK)’
Erm no nothing like that happnd he is not Mann singh yeah!
and a post up top somewhere had put the words correctly
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP JUST SHUT UP so im goin to end of with that…
^^ NAMDHARI
The Gurus reached enlightenment, anyone else who reaches enlightenment will be at the same stage, and one with the almighty. This doesnt mean you would let your hair down for a Herbel Essence Shampoo Advert..
+ i never ever seen something like this when i go to the Gurdwara (non-kooka btw) …..so why does this “mastana” only happen to kookey, why do they emphasise it, what makes them so special and close to the almighty ?
Sarab Singh ……Mastana may have happened in the courts….but it has NOTHING, NOTHING to do with sikhi in light of reaching God. So why would it involve “knowing about your religion” if it isnt important ?
i reckon u shud ask your self y non namdhari’s dont go mastana, maybe th non namdhari keertan isnt fufilling enuff for them,, and namdhari’s them selves dont go around promoting the fact that they go mastana…it seems to b shinda paaji doing tht instead… so thank you shinda paaji for showing the world how fufilling keertan done by namdhari’s can b in helping members of the sangat be connected with akaal purakh
fulfilling?
When Guru Nanak Dev Ji recited Gurbani to Bhai Mardana, It must have been recited to the highest and most content level of fufillment right!? …..So why isnt it written ANYWHERE that Bhai Mardana and Guru Nanak acted like those 2 did in the video??? And why doesn’t it say In the Sri Guru Granth Sahib that you know when u reached enlightenment when u act like so…
And dont try to compare those kirtanee’s to Our True Gurus..They sing in raag yeh….but that is no excuse for madman behaviour…maybe the man has epilepsy. The truth is before your eyes people..understand it..dont make stuff up
Lissen mastana isn’t nothing 2 do with sikhi i never said that no one did so where u *** up with that frm?!?!?!
Now people go mad because they’ve done so much naam simran and they love God sooo much that they go mad! like extatic…
and u can call me what u want u can say watever at the end of the day evry ones on the path 2 reach where they want to be u do it your way ile do it my way and namdharis will do it their way!!
No, there is only ONE tru path to get to God, Hence the existance of sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which guides us along the rightous path. Once again answer me and tell me why Baba Budda, Guru Nanak dev ji, The Char Sahibzadey, or anyone who was one with god, didnt go “extatic” (literal translation of “Kukaa” ) …..Its a false state of mind, which people undergo, thinking they are one with god by doing backward rolls? …..If it isnt in Gurbani, or anything to do with Sikhi, but only culture/tradition….why bother?
All in all, i respect you, if you kept you kesh, you have been born into a Kooka family, so you would think it is right. Fair deal.
Listen i wasn’t born into a Kooka family yeah! dont b ignorant…
we dont know who went mastana when and where… half these sakhis are made up afta our Gurus went to Sachkand!
When was Guru Granth Sahib jee given Gurgaddi? many MANY years after Guru Gobind singh Ji had left us! and who gave Guru Granth sahib jee maharaj gurgaddi! okk thats not the point tho…
u have problems with namdharis i dont know why i dont particularly care either im just saying respect them and respect what their beliefs are because you respect hindus and muslims dont u? u dont go off slagging them 2 their face so dont do it to Namdharis
Evry one is equal and Guru Granth Sahib Jee says that many times!!!!! So respect your guru and do what ever you think is right and dont condemn people 4 doing things there way because they are human every one makes mistakes and if theyr making a mistake it will crorrect.
At the end of the day what body, spirit u’ve been put into that is your Hukam from all mighty god right? so u carry on with it and dont put others down!!!!!!!!!!
now really end this post on a positive note…
Wow. Sarab for a while you had me fooled considering you were coming off as being an intellect. now its time you follow your own advice; go read some history. Guru Gadhi was bestowed to Guru Granth Sahib while Guru Gobind Singh was alive, not after not the day after, not a week after.
Technically speaking Guru Granth Sahib was bestowed Guru Gadhi during the times of Guru Arjan Dev ji, but was not given full “Guru Gadhi” role until Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji formally said; “Sahb Sikhan Ko Hukam Guru Manioo Granth”, and for thoise bafoons who keep crying the British came up with it, at least do us the honour of backing up this claim considering the fact that histroic granths dating as far back as the early 1800’s have this recorded, (these granths have been dated mind you), but alass, lets just blame everything on the British, the fog screen that created the Naamdhari arses to begin with. I think Naamdharis should come to yudh this year then we can setup a full out brawl, and see if Kulwant Sion is the big man he claims to be.
yudh ahhaah dont make me lauf what they gunna do there? its onli a gatka tournament u want a fight go one on one sikh style wrestling match no holes barred!! and wdff y u lot chtin **** it ain gunna happen anyway!!!!
my name is Sarab Singh, I like guys and I am ***. I am sticking up for naamdharis because they pleasure me very nice.
hah immature thats all i gtta say and sort out your english wdf dus ‘they pleasure me very nice’ mean?
m8 say what you want your the one whos annonomous using my name 2 express your views if u feel like that by all means do what u want dont try beeing me!
Sarab, you must understand, you cant not tolerate a branched off sect, and try to respect them at the same time… It doesn’t go.
One thing that gets to me, is that i hear the “guru” gives you a specific word, which you cannot tell no1, and you should recite it like nam simran. Well i say the only word you should recite is the one of the almighty. All this stuff is made up..
And as for respect. You respect a person who passionatly tries to seek for true enlightenment despite their religion. Cant respect someone who turns their back do Sri Guru Granth sahib, and calls it s “book”. If your “Guru” is true, ask him to sit on the thathaa thava and have hot sand poured over his body as our divine guru ji did in the battle against opression.
i understand and acknowledge wat u say and i take it on board but we to have been given the name of waheguru to *** all the time do nam simran 24/7 alll the tym!
say what you want the subject has come totally off wat it was in the 1st place! im saying dont take the piss out of ppl goin mastana!
Whats going on people!
Damn.. a lot of responses since my the last time I posted. Here are my responses cuz I know you all love hearing them.
not impressed: “Straight-Gyangsta” is just a North American expression probably created from the hip-hop influenced culture that we live in. No big deal, i was just using it comically/sarcastically. As opposed to a lot of people on this site acting like their gangters, threatening or straight-up hating people. Also, you dont even know me! So STFU.
Sim: You must be the biggest clown of them all. You’re getting pissed because I called the Granth Sahib a ‘granth’ pretty much? Ur a clown.
You said:
“but he goes against everuthing we stand for and fort for, he mocks the matyrs, the char sahibzadey, and all our brothers and sisters who fought for the right of sikhi and our guru”
Eeeeeeasy there drama-queen! Sorry I dont recall ever doing these things. And to be honest, I dont know where you’re trying to go with this… please explain how I did this?
Thirdly, your last little comment about my Guru was incredibly offensive. You got all pissy cuz I called the Granth Sahib a book (which it is… regardless of how great of a granth it is, it is still a granth), but you go on to say stuff like that. I would never have the balls to insult any religious figure like you did. But you’re asking Shinda to ban ME?
Lastly, your last point about the Guru’s reaching enlightenment and not going mastana must be one of the stupidest points of all. The reason the Gurus didnt go Mastana is because they were GURUS. How can you compare a Guru to a regular dude? Gurus are one with God and can handle the different aspects of that relationship. Thats what makes them great. Thats my take on it.
singh: Why are you so angry? Trying to setup a brawl.. let me guess, you’re still in highschool. What a joke. I have nothing to prove.. you see, I dont hate non-Namdhari Sikhs like how a lot of people on this forum hate Namdharis. Most of my Sikh friends aren’t Namdhari. I also have nothing to prove because I’m probably more tanked than 99% people posting on this site (I’m 6′0″ and I’m benching over 250 lbs as of last week). Not trying to be arrogant or anything, but just calling it how it is. I dont have a chip on my shoulder like you.
K: Calling classical raag… ‘tunes’. Its obvious what your level of intellect is to not have any appreciation for raag. Your post almost didnt even deserve a reply. But i didnt want make u feel bad.
Uncle Phil: You’re wrong
Abdul: Go back to Mecca
Kulwant Singh you said
“Also, you dont even know me! So STFU. ”
thats no way to speak to a woman!
OK ok ok ok ok stop kulwant i know where your coming from and i understand u gettin angry thing is these people dont understand because they done so much research (on the internet) haven’t chated 2 people about what they hav read or heard and get facts and things rong!
ok thats cool… also stopp gangin up on kulwant man its one namdhari dude against all u next people! thats kind of unfair… even tho one singh can take on many many people still doesn’t give the right 2 any one 2 start a civil war in one religion!
just reali stop now let all mighty waheguru jee sort out the world the way he wants to… its all his nothing is yours or mine!
“Lastly, your last point about the Guru’s reaching enlightenment and not going mastana must be one of the stupidest points of all. The reason the Gurus didnt go Mastana is because they were GURUS.”
Gurus/teachers they were, BUT there is ONLY 1 level of true enlightenment…so anyone who reaches that stage would be one with god as the gurus were…so its not about being a guru…its about acknowledging God and being one with them….as u say these fakes goin mastana are…. You cant create a seperate entity between the gurus and those who reach enlightenment…because they are ONE…I even doubt that those who are truely with God live within 500miles of eachother…let alone have 2 in the same room. If ur guru is enlightened with god, he should be doin the limbo too.
well i do have a problem with namdharis and im not in highschool, and i dont give a **** if u can bench 250, guru ji’s sikhs can take on lakh enemies, so bring it. when somebody disrespects my guru ji, you send them on the train of death, and if they call themselves a sikh and openly critize my guru, then you dont hesitate for a second to send them back in the cycle of birth and death
wdff sim r u stupid????? how can these people be fakes well they can but that old man is not a fake! im telling u now… have first hand experience of these people go chek them out then giv me all your bull **** about them beein fake!
miracles happen… anything is possible in gurus darbar! just think and read thru the **** u ryt b4 u post it!
I know its fake **** cos my mates grandma used to do this…she did path all the time…but acted possesed and did exactly what that man was doing…after which she couldnt remember anything. What is the significance in God doing this to someone..Nil
so seriously no one paying attention to my post i shall refresh ure memories:
doing nindiia of other people–not a sikh attribute is it? yet u guys still sit here and talk badly of other people… jus be concerned with your own actions do your own simran and as long as you belive what you are doing is right, stay true to your self and your guru ji and akaal purakh will watch over you. by having bad thoughts about others and saying bad things about them you are only polluting your own mind and not allowing your soul to be clean, if you ever feel angry jus do some simran… you’ll feel better after wards, trust me!
and in regards to the ‘kookay gone wild’ post, i think it’s a bit rude that you are making fun of this old man. he is simply expressing his love and devotion to god, it is an ancient form of meditation called ‘mastana’. i think what he is doing is beautifull, he can not control his actions, it is known that people reach that state of ‘mastane’ when they are in connection with god and usually reach that level after namsimran or listening to the word’s of guru ji (keertan). maybe implying that no one these day’s reach that level of mastana because they are never truley connected with god, keertan isn’t fufilling enough?
any reply’s would be handy, would like to know what ya’ll think
so yo, im 6′3, 216 pounds, ANDDD i can bench 251!!!! yaaaa one pound more beat thattt, im sitting with my buddy here hes a cop 6′3 250 pounds can bench 350 pounds, he takes ***** bigger then u saleh kookay,
look out for new video soon to be released Spring 2006 to a Blog near u….
“Kookay Gone Wild 2: Reveenge of JAgjits gundha kach”
ouch. Kookay give SIKHS a bad name to those who know little of US, when they do these kind of things. Ashame
I would respect ANYBODY who does tru path. Im sure ur “guru” does. But he thinks he is the true guru over Sri guru granth sahib….so i guess he is a moorakh, May vaheguru guide him.
I respect anyone who does true path. Im sure your “guru” does, but he thinks he is higher and more supreme, over the true guru Granth sahib ji. So i guess he is a moorakh. May god guide him. But these people have been around for ages ..since Sri Guru Teg Bahadurs time….Fakes who claimed to be Guru, even when the true Guru was before them…pretty ironic i think.
ouch
i hear kulwant wears a bra
lol u lot give me joke man hav 2 start chatin **** coz u cant face up… bcoz what u beleev doesn’t make sense to u ( in your subliminal mind) so u hav 2 go around cussin otha ppl… Atz is ryt Nindiya! not sayn any more u lot can chtt as much as u want now… go 4 it!
Also we all know that Namdhari sikhs are the best, and the best there will ever be. Me and Atz will stick to the end, brothers for lyf!
just don’t sit next to kulwant he might eat u… or land on you during the little dance off…
thats not the real single bibi i come up with better jokes, its an imposter
shut up ur a namtari y don’t u go dance with u other goverment agent friend u 2dollar hooker
Woa easy guys.
You all need to talk to Guru Ji. Anyone wants his msn add?
sarab singh is obviosuly a women ..i mean listen to him, he talks like one .. i cant believe none of you figured that out …ive been sleeping with her, and have brainwashed her with my naamdhari magic …anyone else wanna sleep with me?
^ thats not realli me.. Loser.
kulwant, i don’t think anyone wants to sleep with you…
…or your 2″ kooka.
Kulwant Singh Says:
“sarab singh is obviosuly a women ..i mean listen to him, he talks like one”
sarb’s a women?… sarb namdari to … we all though he was ur danceing partner… is there like a namtari dr. phill too?? … let me guess u caught him/her (or watever) grinding another kooka didn’t u.
LAME… thats all i can say some people realy aint got lives and i ain a woman btw….
Hello all,
Its me again. I cant believe you losers actually thought I wrote:
“sarab singh is obviosuly a women…”
That was obviously an imposter. This forum is getting boring now. Hey Shinda, where you at? Havent seen a post from you in a while. Sarab, i dont think u should waste your time wid these losers anymore. I think when these guys sit around and do nidia about Namdharis it makes them wet or something.
HAHA lol closest thing to ***…
shinda singh has a life unlike u **** ..he just writes his opinion and u retards get agitated and cry like girls …gets a life, especially u Kulwant and sarab …stop sleeping with eachother ..
i now have more reason to believe kulwant singh has a split brain …and if sarab is a man, then that means hes *** as well …mannnnnnnnnnn … u have major issues
well sarab may be *** but i love him to much, just wanted to tell him that! and kulwant i want u soo bad get in touch with me k?
I need to get a life aswel… shall we all get one 2getha hunnies?
im the original gupt dumbass …and how can i love *** ppl, its against my religion .. they should be burned at the stake …
death to sarab and his homeboy kulwant
lol wat the hell who rote tht and what a good sikh… death 2 sarab and kulwant LOL wicked stuff…
These are all Guru ji’s sikhs how wonderful and respectful they are to their guru!
Guru Gobind Singh Jee would be so proud!!!!
1984 – it burns through my heart – so many died, so many more gonna die – and our lot just tyaar bar tyaar to kill each other. we need to sort out this **** man. we need to get strong, do simran and brace outrselves with chardi kala for the tough times ahead – dhan guru gobind singh help ure panth thru this difficult hour!
Guess i should learn how to do backflips if i wana be close to god like these lot.
There was some sick jackie chan stunts goin on there.
yeah man u shoudl try that… and u should try respecting other faiths and your own faith…
yes THANK YOU SARAB!
Namdhari is indeed not sikhi but “another faith”
These two in the Video are high on either Pung, or Vimto…
LOLLLLLLLLLLL
ok..ok ill stop now.
Stop Disrespecting Namdhari’s
p.s, im a girl and
p.p.s, still no one paying attention to the NO NINDIYA??
may god bless all of u, each and every one of u
‘LOLLLLLLLLLLL
ok..ok ill stop now.
Stop Disrespecting Namdhari’s ‘
that was not me btw some sad child is trying 2 b like me bcoz as i said… alot od people on this forum like being or following other people hmm creepy i know!
andd i will not stopp because its something i feel strongly about so i will defend tilll the last day…
Wtf ^ that is NOT me! He/She is an Imposter!
Sarab Singh u Idiot. How about feeling strongly for your Guru Ji: Sri Guru Granth Sahib..and defending that till the last day. Your pathetic.
look dont b dum who r u 2 tell me wat is right… ive gt my own views!
so u are a kooka then!!
NO i am not a kooka!
lol ****** liar
hukamee hovan aakaar hukam n kehiaa jaaee ||
hukamee hovan jeea hukam milai vaddiaaee ||
hukamee outham neech hukam likh dhukh sukh paaeeahi ||
eikanaa hukamee bakhasees eik hukamee sadhaa bhavaaeeahi ||
hukamai a(n)dhar sabh ko baahar hukam n koe ||
naanak hukamai jae bujhai th houmai kehai n koe ||2||
By His Command, bodies are created; His Command cannot be described.
By His Command, souls come into being; by His Command, glory and greatness are obtained.
By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.
Some, by His Command, are blessed and forgiven; others, by His Command, wander aimlessly forever.
Everyone is subject to His Command; no one is beyond His Command.
O Nanak, one who understands His Command, does not speak in ego. ||2||
have a read then swear at me again…
So you equally respect their wish to deny the Guru Granth Sahib and worship their own Guru, and then u copy paste a transliteration from sri guru Graths sahib ji? Which apposes a lot of what the kooka Guru has to say…hippocrit
Sarab u are a seriously confussed dude…
Guru Gobind Singh Ji didnt tolerate anyone who claimed themselves to be the TRUE Guru, so why should you. Its our Job as true sikhs to help others on the right path….not to be selfish and just say u respect them.
btw..dont get iffy about wot i have said.. In no other faith/religion has Waheguru decided to carry on with a string of Gurus. For christianity it seemed to be one, Islam-one, Judaism-one, Sikhism-one (ONE guru in the bodies of many different forms of body) ….If there Guru was true, those close to good would realise this and pay him homage but they dont….i seriously doubt its just kookay who are close to god.. This guy is another sai baba. If you respect him sarab, respect me too.
what a bunch of CLEVER people… im going to stop here (yet again the last post…
I respect everyone at the same level, but if some one talks sense, or explains something well, or does something that makes me think this persons got some sense i give them credit… oviously none of u lot here have the mental capacity to understand that. Every one here is quite able to do what they please… and they will im not disrespecting that. Thats good… do what you want follow sikhi the way you want to but don’t cyber preach! theres no point to many opinions will clash then people will start cursing and hating and alot more. The aim of the game is to try not to do NINDIYA of people. But why does it seem so easy to do nindiya of others?
Basically treat namdharis like u would treat your brother or sister sikh! thats it and please dont take the piss out of people going mastana! you can say its fake but say it to your close m8s within your own 4 walls. Don’t start puttin videos to lauf at on the internet, that is abit ignorant isn’t it?
Stop h8in people love every one equally…
Peace Out… Daas… Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh…
aaah-men
sooooo….
ok ok
i got one…. how many kookai dose it take to tighten a light bulb???
hahahahaha ..
ur not going to believe this i waa listening to the radio and they where advertizing a club and i swear the guy said kookai no cover till midnight….
MY LAST POST
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(Any other post left under the name Kulwant Singh is not me)
Firstly, why do all you think that by Namdharis not acknowledging the Granth Sahib as the living guru it AUTOMATICALLY means Namdharis are disrespecting the Granth Sahib. Namdharis have the UTMOST respect for the GranthSahib. We believe it to be the words of the Gurus and a book one should live their life by. Our Guru tells us in every Hukam to do our 1-hour Nam-Simran a day and read our Panj Bania da Paat. He stresses this above all else. We keep the Granth Sahib wrapped in cloth when not being read and (in my Gurudwara), we have a special Armour made for it. Anytime we are bringing it out to be read, someone does Jakara and the whole sangat stands when it is being brought into the main hall. Its just that Namdharis dont believe it to be a living person.
Namdharis also place EQUAL importance on the Granth Sahib AND the Dasam Granth. Oooops, I guess the fact the we do this also AUTOMATICALLY means we are being disrespectful to the Granth Sahib. I dont think there is another group of Sikhs out there that do more Dasam Granth bani than the Namdharis do. You dont see us Namdharis accusing Non-Namdhari’s of disrespecting or not believing in Guru Gobind Singh Ji because you guys dont read their Bani and don’t place it on the same level as the Granth Sahib.
Also, what’s up with all the death threats directed towards me? The Khanda has 2 swords (piri and miri) to represent physical strength AND spritual strength. Guru Gobind Singh Ji created the Khalsa to create Warrior Saints. But judging by this forum, there are no warrior nor saints here… just a bunch of people filled with hatred in their hearts.
Ask yourself: Do you really think any of the Gurus would be happy to hear what you guys are saying? Unbelievable the amount of kalak in your minds and hearts!
Kulwant Singh — you probably wont post under ur name again but im almost 100% sure that u will be checking out the replies to ur last comment …so check this out …
you said:
“But judging by this forum, there are no warrior nor saints here… just a bunch of people filled with hatred in their hearts.”
i have to say i agreee ….buttt … your not any better ..i’ve read some of the things u said in here, you have offended me and others in here as well ..so the responses you got from the singhs in here, i believe u deserved them ..and if u had been here in canada and had said those things to my face, i would have knocked u out for disrespecting guru ji like that …
secondly ..this is shinda singhs blog ..not a friggen forum stop expressing ur opinions ..leave a 1 sentence comment if u have to ..dont write essays ..ur just polluting his blog ..
and lastly, if this is the end of you, IM GLAD … im sure i speak for everyone when i say that …
well said kulwant, it is clear satguru has blessed u and may he continuously bless u forever…..and everyone else on this forum, u guys clearly need blessing, the guru’s tought each different belief systems were just diferent paths towards the same god, we are all his creations, and i kno wot ure gonna say, namdhari’s claim to b ’sikh’s’ yet the disrespect guru granth sahib, that y u dont agree with them, and i can understand that, but not until you are perfect or u above all else can u criticse others, the namdhari belief system works for them just as seeing the guru granth sahib as a living incarnation of the guru’s works for u, at the end of the end of the day it comes down to a simple matter of respet, u guys should consider it. if u feel angry towards namdharis, do sum namsimran, take a hukamnama from guru ji and see wot he has to say about it, dont come on pointless forums and slander other people and the beliefs they hold, and on taking my own advice, this wil be my last post also.
sat sri akaal
“dont come on pointless forums and slander other people and the beliefs they hold”
THIS IS NOT A FORUM YOU DUMB DIP …
supersinghne funny how thats the only thing u were able to pick on, im sure u r clever enuff to get th jist of wot Atz ws tryna say?
atz is clearly misguided …and virtual sikh is obviously atz’s friend; therefore “tryna” stick up for him ..
and i can pick on a lot more …want me to start?? fineeeeeeeeee ….here goes ..
“well said kulwant, it is clear satguru has blessed u and may he continuously bless u forever…..and everyone else on this forum, u guys clearly need blessing”
that was a really stupid thing to say …if we weren’t all blessed, none of us would be sitting here …and how is kulwant more blessed than anyone else on this site?? is it because he can talk dirty knowing that there are singhneeanh that also visit this blog ..????? or is it because hes got so much hankaaar??? man he must be REALLY BLESSSSSED EH!!!???
“the guru’s tought each different belief systems were just diferent paths towards the same god, we are all his creations, and i kno wot ure gonna say, namdhari’s claim to b ’sikh’s’ yet the disrespect guru granth sahib”
guru’s didnt teach each different belief dumbass ..they taught us to respect all RELIGIONS …not ppl that call themselves “Sikhs” and disrespect guru ji as ATZ has mentioned… we will not support these ppl ..and we stand up against them and there beliefs in a daydhari guru …..
so shutup all of u dips ..
^ she is sorta right i suppose…Atz+kulwant = same person ..soo obvious.
and to say
“well said kulwant, it is clear satguru has blessed u and may he continuously bless u forever…..and everyone else on this forum, u guys clearly need blessing”
was kinda pointless..maybe u were on a high or enjoy praising urself?
UK owns canada
(^ in hope of changing the blog topic) hehe
also out of curiosity…how old is everyone ?
im 19
oomdayyssss, number1 i think atter is a girl, as she quite specifically pointed out previously in the forum (read ppl), and also she said the guru’s tought that different beliefs systems were just diff paths to same god, not that they actully tought those diff beliefs themselves. if guru ji has really blessed u guys, dnt u think u’d b talkin with more pyaar then u r right now, accusing people of ‘double identities’ wow how blessed u really r! p.s i do agree uk rules canada.raaas ima leave this blog like the rest of the ’sane’ peeps have. one love
I must say that was a good punking by Super Singhnee
sim and supersinghnee….. i feel like claping u got ride of them…. good job
these people preach the same thing over and over again dispite being shotdown point for point every time then they act all humble like we’re leaveing and come bak on with different id’s …. virtualsikh get ur head out ur *** and look around… there was a time when if some one said half the things kulwant and his namtari friends said they be shot there and then for disrespectig guru sahib… then he talk like that about banging girls when we all know theres bibia in her to… then he tries to intimidate everyone like iam 210 benching 240 …. watever u think ur big theres people that’ll rip u in half… and then theres people like atz and virtualsikh that come on like ya these guys are oviousely blessed… if thats wat it takes to be blessed god help us… maybe if u guys suk up to these idiots enough they’ll let u in their club to and u guys can jump around to…
think man think
“if guru ji has really blessed u guys, dnt u think u’d b talkin with more pyaar then u r right now”
didnt guru ji bless u with life?? didnt guru ji bless you with the things u have?? didnt guru ji bless u with the friggen computer ur sitting on with internet on it? …….
yeah …thats what i thought ..so shutup, we’ve all been blessed .. think about about it for a bit ….u must be really selfish and blind not to see that ..and if you say otherwise.. we know ur going to hell ..and im gonna be joining you ..and i’ll deal with u there…
Seriously people, ive been *trying* to read some of these posts and i dont even understand what this is all about anymore
Doesnt it SERIOUSLY seem like there are different things we could better spend our time doing– this is just poisoning our souls even if we’re fighting for the right thing
aaaahhhhhhhh
run away and be saved
NO
but then again, i have no life either, im sitting here wasting my time reading these post’s knowing very well that there are other and better things i could be doing. but what can i do, i cant live without reading whats going on in here
ahhhhhhh
i tried to run away and be saved, but i couldnt ..so im back for more ..
the jist of it theres 2 namdaris in her by the name of kulwant and sarab… basically they trying to say that where mislead cause we follow guru granth sahib and that they have follow sikhi better even though sikhi says not to follow daydari guru’s…. then there was some **** talkin….
i think they ran off now.
The only thing is, Sarab claims that he isn’t a Namdhari, in order to make out as if sikhs respect their perspective. He has even referred to himself as “we”, blatently suggesting “we”= us namdharey.
Anyway, think this should end though guys.
God is one, the almighty who made the planets, moons and us from the same entity. We cant say we hate our brothers and sisters and at the same time say we love god. Try to understand it like this, Namdhari’s were bought to understand and respect their “guru” by their parents just as ours taught us to love the sri guru granth sahib. If we can use the word “blame”, i would say dont blame the followers, but the guru. He knows too well what he is doing, and he knows in his heart whether he is one with god and posesses the naam to preech to others.
One thing i must say. The namdharis guru doesnt teach anything knew from what i read. He just recites what the sri Guru Granth sahib tells us like a giani doing Katha in the Gurdwara. There isnt much imo that makes him any different.
Guru Nanak dev ji specificly said “Do not hate anyone, understand these words and follow my teachings”. Follow the guru, I know its hard to even tolerate their views, But Aurengzeb killed Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s children, yet the Guru showed no hatred…but pityed him and tried to provide him with remorse…the least we can do is not swear at eachother..
its still wrong… a daytari guru’s a daytari guru…. we can’t over do the nimarta aspect to the point that these people just make a jaloos outa sikhi…
i see ur point though but still there comes a point where u can’t sit by…
Naam simran Kar!!!!!!!
bharam bhoolae sa(n)saar shhuttahu joonee sa(n)ghaar jam ko n dda(n)dd kaal guramath dhhyaaee hai ||
O foolish worldly mortal, you are deluded by doubt; give up birth and death, and you shall not be punished by the Messenger of Death. Meditate on the Guru’s Teachings.
mugadhh man bhram thajahu naam guramukh bhajahu guroo gur guroo gur guroo *** sath kar ||2||14||
O foolish mind, give up your doubts; as Gurmukh, vibrate and meditate on the Naam. Chant Guru, Guru, Guru, Guru, Guru, and know Him as true. ||2||14||
man praanee mugadhh beechaar ahinis *** dhharam karam poorai sathigur paaee hai ||2||
You foolish mortal being, reflect on this in your mind; chant and meditate day and night. Dharmic faith and the karma of good deeds are obtained from the Perfect True Guru. ||2||
Go to the Gurdwara and listen to Gurbani with sangat.
wow… this is something. After exactly 4 months 2 days, 230 posts, the kukay have finally settled down. Or have they? are they still running around wild, phugless? only time will tell…
LOLLL haha B these people mann! they’ve all been blessed… B think hard u kno who i am
LOL
who are u “mr x man singh”???
iam waiting for the discovery channel special… kookai in the wild…
can u imagin the the crocadile hunter getting a kooka lol.. OMG that should be PPV
LOL .. that would be jokes
koooooooo kaiz are u single?
your mums done pay per view b4 shes on star whores…
how can u say that about these people man!
so you watch porn on PPV and u stand for kookai… that says alot for kookai. Good job way to prove your point
your clearly another englandi aren’t you
koooooo kaiz is single… mr. not impressed… r u going to try making a point about kookai and my marital status now??? its funny this pair of kookai suporters sound alot like that last pair… kamal and sarb i think… you guy come in pairs???
my there’s more to the kookai clan than we know
baree dum shut your mouth how can u cuss this **** its like cussin muslims and jews and christians… no difference so plss jus shut up!
koooooooo kaiz are u a kooka?? and im a woman ..
i heard sarab and kulwant and doing it together
lol my bad nono iam not a kooka …
my post cleaify that…
and makeing jokes about kookai isn’tthe same about makeing jokes about another religons… cause kookai arn’t a religon they use guru bani at there music… there babe/ guru guy uses gurbani as the foundation of hi religoun… and then turns around like umm yaaa iam the next guru … if he was to read bani himslef he’d know that even guru sahib didn’t call them selfs guru but referred to akal purak as “the one true god”….. this baba let people mata tek to him and lets all this go on around him….sikhi and gurbani that he’s using as his way to get people to join is group says the oposite of wat he’s doing….
sham kar shame x mena ; urs leaving the sucha saroop of guru sahib and following a daytari….
p.s. wat happend to the guy in the end of the video no one said if he like had a concussion or something he fell in a pit man…. see alredy paying for it here imagin wat happends in the next life…
koooo kaiz .. will u marry me?
This blog is such a laugh. I wonder how many of the people slagging others off can even read panjabi never mind do gurbani path…how much nam simran do you all do?… how much Kirtan can you do? ..how many of you adhere to Guru Govind Singh Jis maryada?
Listen you lot… our history has been screwed up by the Goray and the Sikhs who became their chamchay.. I have at home an original edition of Bhai Kahan Singhs Mahan Kosh… look at that and compare it to todays version and you will see how it has been tampered with.. I also have a very very old version of Guru Nanak Dev Jis Janam Sakhi… again, look at that and compare it todays version and you will see the extent of the tampering…
So who are you to say who is a Sikh or not? by making that judgement surely you are elevating yourself to the status of the Guru?
Just get on with your own lives and try to stay on the path prescribed in the Gurbani…whether you do it as a Namdhari or Nirmala or Radhaswami or whatever doesn’t matter a jot…
The battle is not with others it is with ourselves…
These brares are idiots, look wht they r making of our religion, and the dude aint even coverin their head. Wht a bunch of fooooooooooools,they might as well be PAKIS
Dipi r u wasting your life on this web site run man reclaim your soul, life here is ****. But dont worry i will fill u on all the details as i will read all these messages written by these 100s of peeps, just to broaden my knowledge horizons.By the way i ant a kooka
they need to be killed, especially there so called guru. i cant believe how much beadbi they are doing to guru maharaj its unbelievable!!! jus wait till SANT JI is back!!!
dhan dhan sant baba thakur singh ji khalsa DDT
OH MY GODD .. WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN ON HERE .. IS THAT HOW U NON – NAMDHARIS LIKE TO BIG URSELFS UP? BY LOOKING LIKE COMPLETE FOOLS .. I’VE NEVER DISRESPECTED THE GRANTH SHAHIB EVEN THO IM A NAMDHARI AND PROUD TO BE .. AND LOOK AT YOU LOT OPENIN UR GOBS … SHITT .. U LOT AINT GOT NO RESPECT MAN .. AND CAN I JUST STATE ONE THING .. U LOT BELIEVE THAT THE GRANTH IS THE 11TH GURU AND YOUR’RE DISSING US THAT WE BELIEVE BEYOND THE 10TH GURU .. THEN HOW WOULD U EXPLAIN WHAT GURU GOBIND SINGH JI SAID .. -:
“KALJUG VICH SATJUG VARTAO TABHI BAAP KAHOO”
SO WAH U LOT ON ..I BET U’LL JUS COME UP WITH SUM NEXT RANDOM **** INIT TO BAK URSELFS UP … I AINT SAYING WE’RE BETTER BUH AT LEAST WE HAVE MORE RESPECT THAN U LOT DO .. ..OH AND THAT MAN AINT GOIN WILD .. LIKE SARAB AND KULWANT JI SAID HES GOING MASTANA .. BUH WAT WILL ALL U DUM-ARSES ON HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS EH?.. GO DO UR RESEARCH AND THEN COME BAK … DHAN GURU JAGIT SINGH JI !!!
I ALWAYS WONDER WHERE DID HIS KANGAA GO!?!? HE IS A REAL PIECE OF POO FACE HEAD!
that was the funniest thing i have ever seen
i agree w/ sarab singh, the shabad they are singing is mai bouree maeraa raam bhathaar. i just realized that. if we understood the meaning of the shabad we wouldn’t be saying all of these things.
THATS WHAT I MEAN SINGH .. THESE PEOPLE DUNT UNDERSTAND.. THEY’RE JUS ON HERE 2 MAKE UP A LOAD OFF BULLSHITT ABOUT US AND THINK THEY’RE IN THE RIGHT .. WELL ERMMM .. UR NOT .. U JUS PUTING URSELVES LOWER THAN US .. SO I DUNO WAH U LOT WNA TRY PROVE ….OH AND U LOT UR SAYING THAT SATGURU JAGJIT SINGH AINT A GURU RIGHT.. WELL WE BELIEVE THEY ARE AND YOU CANT DO ANYTHING TO STOP US. BUT ANYHOW THERE ONLY ONE OF THEM .. WHEREAS U LOT HAVE MANYY COPIES OF THE GRANTH . HOW CAN U HAVE EXACT COPIES OF GOD THEN..?? SOME PEOPLE EVEN CARRY IT AROUND WITH THEM ,AND NOW DAYS U CAN EVEN FIND THE GRANTH ONLINE AND READ IT ONLINE !! ..NOW HOW CAN U SEARCH 4 GOD ONLINE AND CARRY THEM AROUND EH ? IF U WNA TREAT THE GRANTH AS A GURU SHOULDNT THERE ONLY BE ONE GRANTH AS EVERY GURU WE’VE HAD WAS ONLY ONE …. EXATLY .. U PEOPLE GET UR FACTZ RIGHT FIRST .. COZ U DUNT NO ANYFING … DHAN SATGURU JAGJIT SINGH JI !!
omg, hard kaur you deluded girl
feel sorry 4 u wasting your life
you don’t know the concept of gurbani
don’t u dare go cussing the GuruGranthSahibJi. WHERE THE HELL DOES IT SAY THAT GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS GOD????????
Are you RSS?
you know what, i can’t be asked wasting my cybertime on you
May the one and only Akalpurakh bless you and show u the true path
ACCUALLY UR WASTING UR BREATH WEN RELI U DUNT NEED 2 COZ U DUNT MAKE SENSE … MAY AKAL PURAK DO KIRPA ON PPL LIKE U ACCUALLY.. HU GO AROUND ASUMING THINGS .. I HAVE SATGURU JAGJIT SINGH JI’S BLESSINGS AND YEH GO ON SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS GRANTH IS GURU … GO ON .. I’D LIKE TO SEE TOO .. DHAN
GURU Pakhandhi JAGJIT SINGH JI !!AND CAN I JUST STATE ONE THING .. U LOT BELIEVE THAT THE GRANTH SAHIB IS THE 11TH GURU AND YOUR’RE DISSING US THAT WE BELIEVE BEYOND THE 10TH GURU .. THEN HOW WOULD U EXPLAIN WHAT GURU GOBIND SINGH JI SAID .. -:
“KALJUG VICH SATJUG VARTAO TABHI BAAP KAHOOâ€
SO WAH U LOT ON ..I BET U’LL JUS COME UP WITH SUM NEXT RANDOM
**** ..OH AND THAT MAN AINT GOIN WILD .. LIKE SARAB AND KULWANT JI SAID HES GOING MASTANA .. BUH WAT WILL ALL U DUM-ARSES ON HERE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS EH?.. PSHTT DISSING US .. GO DO UR RESEARCH AND THEN COME BAK … OH AND OTHODOX KAUR I NO MY BANI THANK U VERY MUCH .. UR PROBALY THE 1 THT DUNT UNDERSTAND IT .. DHAN
GURUÂ Pakhandhi JAGIT SINGH JI !!!OI SHINDA WAT THE ***** RONG WIV U … Y U CHANGING MY POST 4 ? IS THAT HOW DESPERATE U GNA GET COZ U DUNT NO WAT 2 SAY … WELL SHAMMEEE .. U CANT FACE WAH I SED THEN INIT .. AND IM A GAL HAHA DHAN
GURUPakhandi JAGJIT SINGH JI !!!SHINDA UR JUS A DESPERATE **** ALLWAYS FULL OF BULLSHIT MAN .. ILL SAY IT AGEN .. DHAN
GURUPakhandhiSHINDA URIM JUS A PLAIN *** **** !!HARD KAUR SHUT IT !!! kooKay are funny!!! haha!! CRAZYYY.
look at u up in here chattin mess gal! people like u need 2 be ex -communicated from not only sikhs but the whole HUMAN RACE. need to send u 2 guantanamo bay!
u think u are religious? look at your name! u making a pun of “kaur” u think its funny??? guru gave sikh girls that name and u tryna make a dirty pun of it,
kaur ji i can only ask u 2 wakeup! jago!
once in india a group of naamdharis were arguin with some real singhs, the real singhs thew blue paint on them lmao! all their white cloths got covered , and they started to cry in the street ! no joke, they started to cry! so if u ever have beef with a kooka jus throw blue color at them lmao! u cant heart them more than that hahahaha
u mentioned sikhs contradict themselves when they say “11th guru” after guru gobind singh ji maharaj. well its not a contradiction because guru said that the guru granth sahib will be the embodiment of all the gurus after he leaves his earthly life.
mr jagjit , (i call him only jagjit beacause he does not deserve the title “singh”), is a daydahri. he insults my guru when he claims the guruship is his because he tries to alter sikh history…and that is enough to give him a 1 way ticket to hell (narak). And all other narakdharis alike shall also catch the same narak express.
it is the duty of every sikh to stand up against these tyrants that burn maharaj ji saroop every year for their ritualistic purposes.
SO i plea to u (benthi) , to not fall victim to their lies, stay out of their rituals, defeat their lies with truth, oppose them, dnt let them slander guru ji, dont let beadbi happen to our guru , and if it does happen…ferr gaddi charaao! wahaguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji kee fateh
bole so nihal sat sri akaal!
P.S SHINDA I LOVE YOUR WORK! KEEP IT UP! your a chardi kalla person! respect. Its about time we show people the truth.
hahahahaha, shinda zindabad
Guru Nanak dev ji told Sidhs that his Guru is Shabad. So shabad has been Guru since Guru Nanak dev ji. Or am i wrong?
i cant believe namdharis dont understand the concept of shabad guru! how can ure pakhandi jagjit sinh be guru? has he written any beautiful gurbani like the real gurus? can he give shaheedi like guru arjan dev ji and guru teg bahadur ji? our gurus did so much, all this pakandi does is sit on his throne, lol n e 1 can do that
I heard Jagjit Sinh isn’t even the real guru! the real guru’s name is Balbir Singh! Jagjit Sinh is a fake. Dhan Dhan Balbir Singh!
Hahahahahahaha i heard they dont even go to Gurudwara (correct me if im wrong) i mean i respect all religions and stuff but i dont believe in taking ones religion and customizing it…. they shud respect our religion and not try to use it as a foundation to create there own…
OI JATHA SINGH .. U WANT BEEF *** DOWN HERE .. WACH WAH HAPPENZ 2 U .. JUS TRY THROWING BLUE PAINT ON US .. N I’LL C WAT HAPPENS AND WHEN DID “GURU” JAGJIT SINGH SAY THAT THEY ARE GOD ? NO GURU HAS EVER SAID THAT HAVE THEY ? YET THEY ARE STILL GURUS .. MY NAME IS NT WAT UR THINKIN IT JUS MEANS DT I’M A “HARD” AS IN STRONG KAUR WHO CAN DEFEND HER OWN, SO U NEED TO STOP UR NASTY THORTS AND GET WITH IT .. OH N WATS WID DA NARAKDHARIS, U WEIRDO WATCH WEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT OK N DEN I’LL SHOW U WHOS LYING AND WHOS NOT .. AND PLEASE DONT DO BENTHI’S TO OTHERS N STOP THEM FROM GOIN DOWN THE RITE PATH COZ PEOPLE LIKE ME WONT STOP TELLING
THE TRUTHLIES !! AND SINGH I DONT THINK U NO WAT THE SHABAD “GURU” MEANS .. IT REFERS TO A LIVING PERSON NOT A BAANI !!! SO GET A LIFE YEH … GAGAN WE AINT CUSTOMIZING ANYTHING SO WAT U ON ABOUT .. AND CORECTION – COURSE WE GO GURDWARA WAT U FINK WE ARE MAN .. DHAN SRISATGURUPakhandi JAGJIT SINGH JI !!hardkaur chup kar
WHY DONT U ?!? COZ IM NOT BACKING DOWN FROM SPEAKING THE TRUTHH
Hard “Kaur”
Just wondering, what is your take on
“Bani Guroo , Guroo Hai Bani, Vich Bani Amrit Saray; Gurbani Kahay Sewak Jan Manay Partakh Guru NIstaray”
If Guru Granth Sahib ji is mere book, then how can book do this: check the link
http://tv.waheguroo.com/
I honestly dun know anything about Jagjit Singh; I dont know his bhagti, and gian,I wont say anything against him. Hez a creation of Akal Purakh, and so are you. Just be truthful to yourself, have faith in Akal Purakh. You’ll find the purpose of your life.
Akal
u talking about the cancer miricle ?
sant ji what do you know that those people are doing in there it is called mastana for the the part of taking crazy people out of the siki is what satguru ji is doing then that is right your are not with us(in case what i meant is that you are crazy). If u call ur self guru da sikhs than what
and second of all listening to all those shabad from the gurop who makes them in to songs is’nt gurbani ur listening to. do you go by the rules written in the granth sahib. and speaking of miracles satguru ji has done a numerous of them go and meet Satguru ji and you will understand the true meaning of life.
Dhan Dhan Sri
Satguru ÂPakhandi Jagjit Singh Jikutha A&& kamina shinda
“do you go by the rules written in the granth sahib.”
Yes, I try to. Do you? Gurbani says dont follow dehdharis. Shabad Guru
“Natak Chetak Keyay Ko Kaja Parbh Logan Ko Aawee Lajaa”
True Saints never show miracles. The cancer treatment was a miracle, it was the vibration resonance of shabad. check Heisenberg’s dual nature of matter theory.
Satguru ? sorry did you call someone a SATGURU ? Wow! i am speechless.. Guru Rakha
oh wateva singhsta wat wud u know what guru means right ? i’ll tell u one thing 4 sure it does
ntmean the granth sahib is a guru .. and itdoesntsaysanywheredont believe in dehdhari gurus ok .. dunt dunt b making up **** .. tell me where it says that the granth sahib is the guru ??when the baani mensions “guru” it refers to a living human.. wake up where u at.. duhh ?!? dhanguruPakhandhi jagjit singh ji“SABB SIKHAN KO HUKAM HAI GURU MANEO GRANTH”
“GURU GRANTH JI MANEO PARGAT GURAN DI DEH”
“BANI GURU, GURU HAI BANI VICH BANI VICH AMRIT SAREE.. GURBANI KAHEE SEWAK JAN MANAY PARTAKH GURU NISTARY”
For heaven’s sake, have some sharam.. WAKE UP>>> Alarm is ringing.. “Jago aye aa Jago aye aa Jago aye aa”
“kutha A&& kamina shinda”
Who is gun be the next Kokka leader.. I nominate Shinda.. to bring em back to the right track..
shinda from canada son come down to NY anyday ill tell you what NAMDHARI can do son any day come down i am just 15 i will take you on any day. Satguru ji says not to do all this stuff but i can take you. think you all that sitting inside of your house talking from your lil comp you got somin with namdharis, igot somin for u son you dam people don’t understand good damn pimps dhan dhan
patshapakhandi jiJago 47 I nomanate your a&& to shut the hell up we try talkin to you nicely but what do you do go on and on and on like you ani’t got a brain in there we the pakhandis right than why you doin all the pakhand around here.
ONLY THING YOU GUYS CAN DO IS SIT ON YOUR SILLY LITTLE COMPUTERS AND SAY A HOLE ALOT OF BULL&HIT ABOUT NAMDHARIS ONLY
PATSHAÂ Pakhandhi JI KNOWS WHAT YOU DID WRONG TO BE TALKING ABOUT NAMDHARIS LIKE THIS YOUR BELIF IS YOUR BELIF I ANI’T SAYING NOTHING TO PUT YOUR BELIFS DOWN JUST SAYING DON’T SAY STUFF ABOUTPATSHAPakhandi JI LIKE THAT TAKE THE VIDEO OF PLEASE! ASKING YOU POLITELY“It slap to Guru Gobind Singh,”
who are you to say such things do you know who you are talking about guru gobind singh ji
l0ool are u namdhari kooka!! me 2 !! these ppl r arueing with two 15 year oldz thaz jus funny .. so reality update shinda by editing my post ur showing tht ur loosing to a 15year old NAMDHARI gal!!! SHAMEE … anyway listen yeh when it comes down to it u cant tell me wats rite n wats rong .. i think i no thank u very much … satguru jagjit singh ji is who i believe in n i always will .. do u lot accualy unsderstand the meaning of wats written in the granth sahib?? dont htink so coz u lot wud av figured out wats right n rong .. go do more research please for all those of u who r hating on namdharis .. u dont even no about us .. u lot r so confused .. i mite be younger than all u lot buh atleast im on the right track .. DHAN GURU JAGJIT SINGH JI !!
n u no wah shinda .. wahs so annoying is u still dunt hav a clue mastana is do u ? u just dunt get it in ur thick head .. and wat piSses me off more is u take the mick out of
satgurupakhandhi jagjitsinghji .. u duno where ur goin with this … jago 47 ur just waste .. u dunt no anything so i suggest u just shutup coz ur comments r just so lame .. fix up bruvDHAN SRI
SATGURUPAKHANDHI JAGJIT SINGH JI !!!half you people can’t even spell singh correctly “sinh” good job the message patsha ji is given you is that you ain’t no Singhs
shinda were did you get this video please reply thank you man?
please reply asap please
“i mite be younger than all u lot buh atleast im on the right track”
Wow is that what you are being taught? But hun, the people on the right track have huge Nimarta.
Kooka.. So namdhari’s are gangsters now? You aint Singhs thats forsure…
Shinda is correcting your responses, ya’ll should drink his charan amrit.
Lord, Mercy on all of us…
Btw 15 years old kookas.. before you mess with Shinda, make sure you tie your pug hard.. you aint wanna get it swinging down like your uncle in the vid… I feel sorry for you though….jsut for your info,,messing with Shinda = gettting popped
What the hell was that? Is this a Kooka workout or something? wow..pretty intense
oi lisen yeh jago 47 dunt u diss our turbans yeh … coz the only person that needs to hold on his turban is u .. if u even wear 1…! “messing with Shinda = gettting popped” LOOL wat the hell do u fink shinda is ?? hes jus one of those people .. all talk no action .. jus sits there editing comments coz he cant take the truth .. like they say truth hurts .. but dont worry shinda itz not ur fault if u dunt no anything about being a sikh .. coz U aint one .. i bet if there was a war agen u lot wud probaly hide and do nothing again .. see namdhari’s r the ones tht stood up and satguru ram singh ji .. u’all r jus good 4 nuffin.. wat a shame
and can i just ask u sumthing … i bet u lot wear a triangle pagh or watever .. but what shape pagh did guru nanak dev ji and other gurus wear ? ROUND yeh they wore a round one like us namdharis do.. so where did the triangle ones come in from ? latest fashion or sumthn ?!!?! LOOL
can you send me the video? please you have my email address
need to show video to all my friends if you can snd it shinda phaji they would love you
A reality lesson Hard Kaur.. Shinda is a TAKSALI SINGH…. I am sure you have heard of our First Jathedar Shahay Shenshah Guru Gobind Singh ji, the TRUE LAST DEHDHAARI Guru of the SIKHS. First Sikh jathedar of Taksal was Baba Deep Singh ji Shaheed, and Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhinderanwalay was Taksal’s 14th Jathedar. Baba Ram Singh came much later, even he was amritdhari. I dont know how you guys relate him to your dehdhari tradition. WTF do you know about Shinda? Hez a crazy gatka player, and keeps a Big Shahster on him at all times. Stop typing **** from your parent’s basement, and grow up. Charan dhurr of manmukhs would just get you explosive Diaheria, nothing else. AMRIT PEVO SADDA CHIR JEVO..
Sit gracefully and listen to Gurus word or dance around like dunno what…choice is your bibi
Hard Kaur
check the pic above, even you “Satguru ji” wears a triangle pug.. what are you preaching here?
jago 47 budy do you know were shinda got this video from
jago 47
yeah
do you know where shinda got this funny video from
???
A Kooka smagam
jagjit ’singh’ looks like a pe nis
Singh, dont say that man… appan kee laynaa..
u lot r jus soo *** .. look carefully and its a round pagh accualy .. check ur eyez plezz .. i think ive seen them in reality too so i shud no !! so dunt b dum .. singh ur jus a dum **** hating big tym .. *** boy .. i dunt even think ur a singh 2 be saying **** like that .. jago i think u gta grow up yeh .. i aint sittin in no basement yeh so i duno where u got that $hit from .. coz its jus lame n *** .. watever u sed u no its all bull$hitt 2 me .. satguru ram singh ji WAS a guru whether u like the fact or not .. and do u really think im bothered about what shinda does .. i can tell wat he is .. he jus sits there editing my posts coz hes losing to a namdhari .. he cant take the truth ..TRUTH HURTZZ .. anyway u lot can carry on wearing ur fashionable triangle paghs LOOOL …dhan sri satguru jagjit singh ji !!
HAHAHAHA>> Bless bless… Naamdhari, wasup wid the dance? Why do you guys do that?
Look, I want to make it clear that I have nothing against Naamdharis and others.. everyone has a different way of attainting Waheguru ji. All I am saying is that, if you dont consider Guru Granth sahib ji your Guru, you are not the Sikhs. Simple as that. Naamdharis might do more path and keertan than I do, I respect them for this. But if you wont follow Sikh maryada you are not a Sikh; you can be a Naamdhari but not a Sikh. I respect your Baba ji Bhai Jagjit Singh ji; but for the sake of God, dont call him Satguru of Sikhs. He can be your Satguru…definitely not a Sikh Satguru. Rehanee Rahe Sohee Sikh Mera – without Sikh Maryada you are not Sikhs.
REspect for keeping Gurmat Sangeet Prampara alive.
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA
WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
I agree with Jago… I dont care what you do in the diwans..just keep your sect to yourself, and dont come and preach here that Sikhs r supposed to follow your maryada
What you belive is what you belive what we belive is what we belive. so all i want to say is lets just close this topic and try gettin along people that get along don’t get along according to there religion as we all know ninda is were bad for all. so lets just close this topic and try gettin along
phol chuk maph
sat sri akal
safe man..
bhul chuk maaf
can we please get this video of the line cause it does offend us a little the way people talk about it please shinda i would thank u a million if u did so just do it for your guru ji sake if not cause please
yeh i agree with jago and namdhari kooka .. could u jus take the video off please coz this seems like the best thing to do .. thank u
hard kaur is asking shinda for a favor after talking so much trash about him…. how ***, grow a back bone, be a man
listen yeh i aint taking bak wah i sed 2 him .. i still stick with dat … did it hurt u by askin 2 take it off ?? nah dunt fink so .. so i jus fink u shud kepp ur big gob shut !!! i sed it seems like the best fing to do .. which is tru .. common sense .. buh wat wud u no ?? ur jus acting so thick
yeh u no best !! dhan sri
gurupakhandhi jagjit singh ji !! shameeedie….
ok “why” that was just such a **** comment .. didnt even make sense
There’s not much hat i can say about this… I’m shocked!… not by the vdo… but by the sense of many people here…. it’s not 21st century n u guys are still fighting about religion? how fool is that?
The world is moving forward, but ur brains are moving the opposite direction. I really don’t understand the types of language you people use here…. I mean i’m not a full that i don’t understand wat u guys mean, but i just don’t understand how u guys could just think of it… Only fool and fools could think of these things.
All i wanna say is that, all of us believe in one thing or the other, depends on how we are raised…. so why insulting the believe of others… U believe in ur way, i believe in my way…. different people believe in different ways, so y using those differences as excuse to creat a fight? aren’t u all civilized person? if yes then y fighting?
Believing in real sikh and betray others….. does it help?
Believing in namdhari and kill people…. does it help?
Believing in Buddhism and harm others… does it help?
NO!!!! …. It’s not…. so it’s not important wat u r believing in…. most important thing is how u live ur life? if the way u live harm people around u…. wat u believe is not at all important…. u r still a bad person in the eyes of everyone…. ur believe is not going to help u to look better…. so y fighting abt it? Just do ur best in ur everyday life…. believe the way u want to believe,…. and allow others to believe in the way they want to!!
wat countries this guys flag from
yeh i respwct wat ur sayin “bizz” buh poeple here r jus so rude about namdhari belifes n they *** up with so much **** dat i cant keep quiet.. bull$hit man .. unbelievablee .. and “t” does it matter where he from? think about wah he sed coz it kinda tru buh ur so brainwashed u wudnt want 2 understand it
imagine what Guru Nanak Dev JI and Guru Gobind Singh Ji might think of you so called SIKHS ( sickees)
please people respect each others beliefs and the world can get on…U should meet Satguru Jagjit Singh ji and then you’ll kno wot the hell hard kaur is going on about. why is there so much hatered? if your there is so much hatered goin on why isnt someone doin something about it? insted ppl are rantting on about which path to follow…you kno ur faith just follow it! STOP COMPLAINING! KAIFAR (LOST) PPL ON THIS SITE. END iit now or have consequences to pay for from GOD. Follow what they are saying in Gurbani and then talk…if ppl are translatiing everything according to them….how will any of us kno wots rite and wrong! please dont take my words as objections towards anyone..but im merely pointin out that live and let live!
SSA
i think shinda is a namdhari tooo…..dont u recite the name of the lord????
u all r stu..ds …ur poor guru… whatever he is… may be crying on ur efforts of teaching each others… this is y u get defeat in each fight… left… run away or killed in fights… because u can trust or support each other…. well keep it up .. only by doing this other can beat…. you finish you …. fool you ..
I think only Scholar Prahlad & few English men changed the entire sikh history….
who says Guru Manyon Grath is said by your guru govind singh..
This stirng is never ever pronuciatied in Golden Temple (Hari Mandir)…
& where it is recited … i.e Akal takhat… that is just a handful of people … teaching/befooling all of you… hi hi hi hi hi….. I suggest all of you first understand ur history… where ur gurus have gone… don’t just believe the salaried persons of akal takhat…………….
didnt think it was possible but this post got even funnier. hi hi hi hi hi
lol damn chinker is wild. niggah go study
If u r talking abt me meeting guru jagjit…. yes i have seen him before…. he’s nice, kind and calm person…. i don’t know what other think…. he’s respectable for me…. but as i have told u…. its not a matter of believing in wat or who…. it’s just who we r?…. a fool that do not grow, or a mature civilized human being! This is wat u people need to think abt…. fighting abt this have killed lots of people in the past…. n u all still go on n on with it…. do u think any guru, christ or even buddha will appreciate with wat u all are doing? I’m sure they will never appreciate it…. so if u r still going on in the most stupid way like this then u all better not call urselves as anyone’s follower…. cuz u’ll probably bring bad reputation to them too!!
this all shows….. how fools are you……. this is y english persons prevails ahead of you … having only one christ……………. and u can’t even stay together having so much christs like all guru………… shame on you all……… any way … I am ejoying all this.. keep on stroooling on this topic….. thanks to shinda to make fun of all who r here including me opsssssssss….
oh shut up “eye opener” .. the onli person dat needs 2 open their eye is u !! u jus seem like sum dopey person who jus came on here 2 hate !! i mean look at ur englishh !! dont make sense and neither is what ur tryna say ?!? wat is ur point ? coz u dunt have one at the moment.. wat u tryna prove?like “k singh” sed u wudnt no the feelin of meeting satguru jagjit singh ji wud u? but dont worry its jus sum ppl r lucky enuff to meet them .. im jus so glad 2 be born in a namdhari family n ppl like u r jus full of bull$hit ..
im on da right track so i aint got no worries.. itz u lot tht need to think !!
hardkaur u need a life
Hey I have a question for all those who wrote here….
Let me know on which page of holy books so called guru granth… ‘Agya Bhei Akal Ki..’ … is written..
you can not find…. because its not written anywhere in any book written by GURUs….
u r gone crazy……….. ask to ur elders even they spent their lives in lie………………
shame on u………………
lool nah i have a life accualy .. da onli reason i *** on here is if i dunt say nethn now it luks like i baked down .. which i havent n never will .. i aint ashamed yeh !! so i’ve joined dis arguement n wunt stop til u lot do!!
Hey Chink, why dont you liberate tibet? Lie eh.. Kookka is a lie and video is a living proof of this…..educate your commie soul…we know ageya bhai is not written by Guru sahib.. its written by Bhai Nand Lal Singh ji.. Guru sahib has said…Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani…. further..hard kaur..dont waste your life on dehdharis.. follow the shabad guru.. and get high on life. peace be wid you
The Dohra Agya Bhai Akal ki tabhi chalayo Panth, Sab Sikhan ko hukam hai Guru manyo Granth. Guru Granth ko Manyo pargat Guran ki deh Jo Prabhu ko milna chahe khoj sabad men leh has been recorded in Bhai Prahlad Singh Jis Rehatnama and also appears in Bhai Heer Singh jis in diary. Both were hazory sewaks of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharajah. Also Bhai Nand Lal Ji have recorded Guru Gobind Singh Jis words in relation to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and how after them the khalsa panth and Guru Granth Sahib Ji will be there saroop. Bhai Koer Singh Ji who were with Guru Gobind Singh ji when they gave the Gurgadi to Guru Granth Sahib ji has written down in Gur Bilas Patshahi 10 they put 5 paise and coconut before Guru Granth Sahib ji and bowed to it.
oii jago namdharis aint a lie … wat u believe is .. dunt u b talkin bull$hit like dat coz it aint tru so i aint taking that .. u seriously gota do more research .. the only line u no is “Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani”…. or sumthn like that .. first of all read it and accualy understand it coz u obiously dunt no what its tryin to say .. khlasa fatey
dhan
guruPakhandi jagjit singh jiHard Kaur,
1) Bani Guru, Guru Hai Bani, Vich Bani Amrit Saray. This tukh is self explanatory. Please do tell what other arth can be made. I have studied all temporary and udasi pothis and will reference them if you wish which all conclude the meaning of this one line the same with that being Bani is the Guru and the Guru resides within the Bani. If you have a differentarth on this, please state your sources and reasoning behind why I am wrong. Saying I am wrong will only prove you have no case and are just spewing lies from your back side like no tomorrow. Any reply without a source of reference proving otherwise will itself be accepted as you excepting defeat.
2) Dohra, Agya Bey Akaal Kee, Tabio Chalio Panth. Sahb Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manio Granth. This dohra by Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, was transcribed and appears often in Puratan Lekhaks. The most notable is that by Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji themselves. Similar interpretations of this dohra are also provided in almost all various and ACCEPTED (meaning studies were done to prove the authenticity and dates) of Rehitname all which conclude that they are genuine pieces. These Rehat Maryada’s are and have been part of the panth and around pre 1760’s concluding that they are authentic and not propped up by any Colonial rulers.
3) Bhai Ram Singh. There letters in which they vigorously deny any linking to any Gurudom, and appease to all Sikhs to refrain from the sin of considering themselves as Guru and accept Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the alone guru have existed since the times of Bhai Ram Singh Ji themselves and have constantly been a notable factor in debunking the Naamdhari myth. There is no reason what so ever unless you can provide it, to not accept these letters as the works of Bhai Ram Singh themselves, as they have been found to correlate with other writings which have been accepted as genuine with a similar writing style, and hand writing.
Now I provided you three points which I ask you to dismiss. Simply dismissing them on your own personal bias will only show your ignorance and lack of any substantial knowledge on the issue at hand, and only further follow suit that you are indeed a complete and utterdumbass . For any rebuttal please provide names, and or references or at the very least HOW you arrived at your assumption/conclusions. Any post/reply about anything else will will notwarrant a reply, but further prove the Naamdhari agenda, so please do keep that in mind.
scholar you killed it.. way to go
all the namdharis get of this site this is a namdhari if you are satguru jis true sikh get of this site that is all i will say
JADOO SACHH THE SURAJ CHAMAKDA EH
CHUK DENDA EH JHOOT DAY HANERIA NU- Sachkhand wasi Ustadd Charanjeet Singh ji
(When the sun of truth shines, it destroys the darkness of lies)
Dhan Satguru Granth Sahib ji maharaj…
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA
WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
oi shinda y did u decline my post b4 this 1?? did the truth hurt? look shinda i no u got issues buh y hate … not like i sed anything rong … if u wna believe that the grath is guru ..fine but i can NEVERRR believe tht itz the guru coz itz not … itz a holy book!! its not even living .. thats what i dunt get about u ppl ?!?!! the word ”GURU” refers to a “LIVING PERSON!!” u lot have a lot 2 learnn .. many thingzz!! like i sed before even ur paghs (turbans) i still dont understand where u got the triangle shaped ones?? who invented that ? no guru wore a pagh like that .. all of them wore round oness!! u lot jus seriouslyy need to step bak coz none of u lot can do anythng .. all talk and thats it !!
dhan sri satguru jagjit singh ji !!!
shuttup lady! i told u before… a long time ago, u may not remeber … Once before i told u to zip it but u persist in spreading your bollox. dusht Jagjit singh is not a guru.
pakandi bawa lol .
why u talkin bout triangle turbans? gursikhs wear the turban guru ji told us to wear, not triangle ones, so i dont know what u reffiring too..
anywayz! u cant lecture us, just take a look at the naamdharis turban in the video, its on the floor while hes doing back flips and roly poly’s lmaooo.
and lets face the truth, u only bow down to jagjit and u want that. hes a paedophile and a womaniser. face the facts.
hahahahaha
lol
“roly poly’s”
hahaha, i actually laughed when i read that
i think u are referring to what is referred to in canada as a summer-sault
geeza the video isnt working! use a different player! please! i love that video, it shows how dumb namdhaaris are
shut up david … haterrr .. get a lifee bruv
david, the video is uploaded up on http://www.revver.com by Shinda. so onec ur there search up sikh and the video will come up.
you are so not cool and you are not smart
you are not writeing me back
Keep doing nindeyaa….
u all r wastedd … top haterzzz !!!
HARDDDDD KAUR U DIRTY GAL. did i say i was a singh? i mite be i mite not be. (reply to your post time back). no1 here is hating, especially not me, im jus sayin that im gonna bring my BLUE PAINT and throw it on u and see u cry like they did in india that time.
singhs threw blue paint on naamdharis when there was beef and the kookey startd to cry and ran off. WHY U ASKIN ME FOR BEEF LITTLE GAL? I THOUGHT NAAMDHARIS WERE HINDU AND THEY DID NOT LIKE EATING BEEF??? LOL
Im not in the habbit of insulting and swearing, but if u want to debate this in a civilised mature fasion then i am willing to do so. we can have a structured debate. if u want, i can arrange it on messenger or something. But dont chat mess on here woman! or i’ll pull out my blue paint! fateh (not to kookey)
Jatha,
She is still a little gal..With maturity, she will realize what the truth is.. give her some time bro…
Fateh
LOOOL JATHA LION U CRACK ME UP .. BEEF IS A SLANG WORD FOR FIGHT .. UR SOO DELAYED .. GO ON PULL U ****** BLUE PAINT OUT .. *** I’LL SEE WAT HAPPENZ
Hard Kaur, He was being sarcastic… you should have figured that out
Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
in reply to Hard Kaur’s comment on Guru Ji
Quote: “if u wna believe that the grath is guru ..fine but i can NEVERRR believe tht itz the guru coz itz not … itz a holy book!! its not even living .. thats what i dunt get about u ppl ?!?!! the word ‘’GURU†refers to a “LIVING PERSON!!†u lot have a lot 2 learnn .. many thingzz”
Where does ur so called dude get his lyrics from? Oh damn.. Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj………..
Why is it that ur so called dude cant even give sat buchan from within himself on his own accord without help of Guru Ji? Yet Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj give sat buchan 24/7…
now the test… if u can get one of ur cookies to tell ur dude to walk into a Gurdwara and attempt to stand on Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, i can place my life on it… (i will also be held responceable for this beadbhi if it happens (not soon)…) that he will dorp dead like a *****….
i refference back to an incident in 1987 in london… ‘Darshan Das’ ring any bells… he too attempted the same as our lil test… and what happend?
well when my uncle comes out this year, u can ask him urself… if ur lucky, he might even send you to have Darshan of MR. Das….
i think it would be a good idea that you get your dude to come with you, let him taste the flavour of True GurSikhs….
lol a book… if only you could say it to a True Singhs or Singhni’s face…
hope we bump into each other soon… i have a supprise for you!
Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
btw, which bit of Kaur are you? u need to take Amrit before you become a Kaur… cookies dont take Amrit… stupid ppl..
LOL..Harvinder bro.. you are a legend.. start doing katha.. HAHHA..
Regards,
Lowest of the Low
HARD KAUR! U TART! I KNOW “BEEF” IS SLANG. i was using the double meaning of the word to make u look silly u idiot. oh by the way, u mite wanna listen to “akaash radio” 2day, at 8pm uk time, we got a program about the naamdhari sect ….
:D:D ^_^
In london last week, the naamdhari place had sikh protestors outside it, demanding thay they stop disrespecting guru granth sahib ji maharaj. IN response the naamdhari guru jagjit himself contacted the sikh organisation that was responsible for it.
u see, we can rattle the naamdhari cage
stay tuned, because alot of stuff is happening right now, the naamdharis will be forced to stop disrespecting guru ji because the sikhs will make sure of it.
last week at the protest, the naamdharis had the nerve to say “guru gobind singh did havan” . they also said, “if u want the guru granth sahib , u gonna have to take it over our dead bodies”., to which the sikhs replied “thats fine by us”
HARD KAUR! U TART! I KNOW “BEEF” IS SLANG. i was using the double meaning of the word to make u look silly u idiot. oh by the way, u mite wanna listen to “akaash radio” 2day, at 8pm uk time, we got a program about the naamdhari sect ….
:D:D ^_^
In london last week, the naamdhari place had sikh protestors outside it, demanding thay they stop disrespecting guru granth sahib ji maharaj. IN response the naamdhari guru jagjit himself contacted the sikh organisation that was responsible for it.
u see, we can rattle the naamdhari cage
stay tuned, because alot of stuff is happening right now, the naamdharis will be forced to stop disrespecting guru ji because the sikhs will make sure of it.
last week at the protest, the naamdharis had the nerve to say “guru gobind singh did havan” . they also said, “if u want the guru granth sahib , u gonna have to take it over our dead bodies”., to which the sikhs replied “thats fine by us”
LOOOL look yeh u can neva top us .. if we all get together then u’ll c init .. we’ve done a lot in the past to proove we aint shook .. get dat in ur head… u wna fyt namdharis? *** jus try it .. dunt fink i’ll c u out in 1 piece .. u no wah ders no point explainin dis stuff 2 u .. coz it dunt go in ur dum headz !!! lool yeh u reli think i woz gna lisen 2 ur stupid radio $hit ?? .. i got betta fingz 2 do than lisen 2 ppl bull$shittin…. oh yeh n u sed *naamdharis will be forced to stop disrespecting guru ji * 1st of all it aint guru ji .. its a baani .. and we respect that .. n 2nd of all u cant do $hit 2 stop us 4rm doin nethn .. lool who u lot fink u r .. itz our way of living..our life .. den wahs ur problem .. go live ur own life n keep 2 urself.. dhan dhan sri satguru jagit singh ji
narakthari jagjit singh will fall into the pitt of charasi. EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY. hes a dehthatri pakandi.
U CAN LIVE YOUR LIFE HOWEVER U WANT , THEN WHY INSULT SIKHS?
yeh i heard about your “sacrifices” lmao! haha!
what u lot done? themost u done is lie down infront of a train that refused to stop and it went over them. yes….. a great act of bravery no doubt…… only 1 thing…. IT WAS THE RONG TRAIN! HAHA, THE TRAIN THEY WANTED WAS ON THE OTHER TRACK HAHA!
dont listen to the radio then, just read the DES PARDES!!! THE NEWS IS IN THERE, HOW THE PROTEST AGAINST NAAMDHARIS TOOK PLACE, AND THEY CALLED THE POLICE CUZ THEY WAS SCARED.
Your lies will end one day. when the moon of truth shines though.
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji kee fateh.
Hard Kaur
Please stop talking on here.
Any other Namdhari Sikhs are also requested to stop trading insults. This is not the way of Sikhi. Yes, these terrorists came to the Namdhari Centre and were promptly tackled by the police. They are under strict survaillance for their illegal and anti-Gurmat ways. Lowering yourself to their standards will do nobody any good. May God give us all the power to be forgiving.
I instruct all sikhs to tackle the naamdharis with bani and the truth. No need to swear at them because we can simply talk truth and thus embarass them!!
YEs those humble sikh sewadars went to the naamdhari centre to oppose the beadbi which they was doin of guru ji. And yes the police were called, no1 was tackled u IDIOT!! read the story.
My misguided brother, tell me,… if sikh sewadar that speak out agaisnt disrespect are “anti-gurmat” , then tell me brother what is GURMAT AND WHAT IS A RIGHTEOUS ACT?
the naamdharis that day said “guru gobind singh ji did havan”
this is a big lie and a deliberate attempt to carry out hinduisation of sikhi. what your bretheren said was against the guru, therefore it is you and your beliefs that are ANTI-GURMAT my misguided young padyone. u mite want to revise your silly reply and think it over.
you are the terrorist because u distort what is true for your own gain. Lowering yourselves to his standards will do nobody any good.
May god give us the power to identify idiots that lie and be forgiving.
fateh
HardKaur dont stop on his account. please share your feelings openly.
ALso i would furter like to add that the Naamdhari centre members are under close surveillance for their illegal and anti-gurmat ways.
lool yeh i dunno y ur all attackin me … if u think we dunt have respect fair enuff .. but in my eyes we do .. i dunt reli care anymore wat u lot think .. coz im not exatli goin 2 believe it .. n nah all dat stuff u sed about trains n stuff .. nah das jus bullshit coz u dunt wna accept the fact dat we’re true warriors and dat we can fyt if we want … and dunt worry yeh time will tell wahs gna happen so dunt u go preachin **** !! and yes namdhari sikh i understand what u r sayin .. but they are disrespecting sachay patshaji !! dats wah hurtzz
dhan sri satguru jagjit singh ji
WjKWjKwF,Hunji sadh sangat jiyo mein baldev singh naar southall waleh deh behalf the post reply karanlageyah.I as a local gyani support the action against these naamdharis and their pakhandi practices,their vichaar that the guru granth sahib ji is just a book is a joke!If anyone has any issues,please contact me and i am happy to discuss with you issue,for my contact please ask Sri Guru Singh Sabha Southall, for Raagi Jatha Baldev Singh Naar,I appeal to all other raagis to oppose these narak-dharis
shinda singh can you please provide me with the link of where i can find the full video to the naamdhari fooling around and their back flips
Baldev Singhji
If you are a true Giani, you should have realised the eternal truth that to do nidhia and tell lies is one of the biggest sins you can commit.
I AS A NAMDHARI SIKH AM TELLING ALL OF YOU THAT NAMDHARIS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT AADH SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIBJI IS JUST A BOOK. WE BELIEVE IT TO BE THE GURBANI OF OUR GURUS, SAINTS AND BHAGATS AND RESPECT IT AS SUCH.
Our whole lives are based around the love for Gurbani and our Gurus. That is why Namdhari Kirtanees do Kirten with so much love, devotion and accuracy.
True, some of the younger, less knowledgable people retaliate with comments which they make out of passion. I again request these foolish individuals from both sides to refrain from such actions. If any Namdhari has offended anyone with their foolish words I apologise on their behalf.
In the same breath I request all of those who are spreadin hate propoganda on these sites to desist from doing so.
Yes, some of our practices differ from those of you who do not believe in a Living Guru. But I can assure you of this: none of these practices are anti- Sikhi. Namdhari Sikhs are not a new found cult. When Sikhi was being attacked from all sides and was corroding from within, Satguru Ram Singhji came to this world and rejuvinated it to a new glory. He gave us SIKHS and all the WORLD a weapon of non-violence which has enabled feedom across the globe. Namdhari Sikhs and their principles are an asset to Sikhi. Do not tarnish Satguru Jagjit Singhji with your nindhia. He is keeping all those ancient traditions of Sikhi alive that most of you haven’t even heard of because they were the traditions that allowed us to become a great Empire and us to defeat our enemies. He is striving to unite all our different factions through love. Look within yourselves and try to learn about each other with love, not hatred. Don’t listen to facist lies. Come with love and respect and the desire to discover the truth; we will show you how much we love and respect Gurbani. Come with hate and violence and find out how powerful a force we have behind us.
Love and respect to all.
Sat-Sri Akaal
whos spreading hate and propaganda?
U spread hate and propaganda as soon u say “satguru jagjit singh”, beacause by saying that u are implyin that guru gobind singh maharaj did not pass on the gur-gaddi to the eternal guru granth sahib.
everyday in your ardas u say “bring an end to the killing of the cow”.
we regard all living creatures as important and dont give any special priveledges to cows. keeping the cow sacred is a hindu practice….
As far as your comments on “nindya” go, when u challenge the guru-gaddi u do the biggest nindya. if u regard some1 as your guru , then go ahead do so, but when u change sikh history u will run in to problems.
If guru ji can disown his own son for altering bani, then u can think about it yourselves….. because u have altered alot of bani:
In stead of “nanak naam chardi kala tere bane sarbat dha bhalla”
u altered to “satguru ram chardi kala ……
u altered to say “bring an end to killing of cows…
u altered the gurgaddi to say Satguru Balak Singh , Satguru Ram Singh , Satguru Partap Singh, Satguru Jagjit Singh ji ect.
So if Guru can disown his own bloodline for altering bani to please the mughal emporer, then immagine the sin u commit when u daily recite altered bani to please your own cause.
I got no objection to any belief system in the world. it doesnt concern me which guru people follow, but it concerns me and guru ke sikh when u alter guru linage, history and pack in supersticious stories. e.g. when u say “guru gobind singh ji did havan” –which is a lie.
It was guru gobind singh ji that condemned superstitious rituals/practices as useless and bearing no fruit , so it seems insulting that u should claim that the same master that opposed superstitious rituals would participate in them?
sikhi is all about sat , the truth. sat sri akaal. god is truth. By manipulating bani and gur-gaddi u do the very opposite of truth…lie. so u think about it yourself, if god is truth,,,and u lie,, then u can get an idea of which way u heading in life.
And as for your talk of “force” goes, ….. i think youve shown enough force by your lies in the papers about the humble sewadar that opposed u. its now our turn to show u force
sunshine. remember one thing, there is no force on earth that can defeat truth, for truth is god.
Naamdharis are a seprate faith. sikhi is a seperate faith.
how can ppl buy into namdhari stuff?
Please forgive my typing error: The word should read Guru Granth Sahibji.
lol its not a guru !!! just a baani which we respect
Hard Kaur
It is not just a Bani. It is Gurbani. Will you please stop arguing with half cooked knowledge. Your comments are giving people the wrong impressions about Namdhari Sikhs. We don’t just respect Gurbani, we should be living our lives by obeying with our minds and souls the commands Gurbani gives us. That transcends way above mere respect. Don’t resort to what foolish people want you to say. They want you to say things which they can use to make us look as if we disrespect Aadh Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Don’t play into this evil plot. If you must argue go and study Gurbani and history first.
you heard their story now hear mine.
bhalak singh, the first naamdhari guru, was a good saint/soldier. he had taken amrit. It was he who fought in Maharaja ranjit singhs army. During British occupation, he was imprisoned.
now every sikh that knows about their histroy, knows that the “Dogras” plotted to bring down the sikh empire along with the british adopting the “divide and conquer” strategy.
Bhlak singh was imprisoned, and while he was in prison they made him the guru from within the prison cell. Bhalak singh said openly “this is a lie , i am not the guru”, but they forcibly made him the guru agaisnt his will by spreading lies outside to the outside world to create a sect and split sikhs.
bhalak singh (in prison) could not do anything about it.
thats how it begun.
i get the names mixed up lol… umm maybe it was ram singh? well 1 of them,
fateh
Jatha lion
Have shame. I suppose what you have written above is your ‘version’ of the truth is it? Sangat cannot make a Guru. Sangat is created by a Teacher, a Great Master, an Enlightened Soul, One who is immersed in Naam and who also bestows Naam. By the way, such a Purakh is defined within the Aadh Guru Granth Sahib as ‘Satguru’.
You are only repeating (parrot like) the venom you have been taught. If you have any ounce of intelligence go and read real Sikh history written by independent historians, and who knows, it might give you enlightenment.
Learn your timeline: Dogra traitors came first. Satguru Ram Singhji recreated the Khalsa by imparting Naam and Amrit after the treachery that caused the downfall of the Sikh Empire.
Sikh traitors enlisted en masse into the British army. THE ONLY SIKHS that didn’t were the Namdharis, who FOUGHT the British. The Singh Sabha were also loyal subjects of the Empire. Stop twisting history. The whole of the world outside of your fanatical cult knows who were and are traitors.
Just believing something doesn’t make it true. You have to have lived it.
British Archives of the time tell a very different story. Read what Encyclopedia Brittanica has to say about Namdharis. Why WAS Satguru Ram Singhji sent to Exile in Burma?
Because He Started the independence movement!
Where were your ancestors then, Lion? I’ll tell you: IN THE BRITISH ARMY killing their own Countrymen. Just like you would like to do now.
Jatha Lion is right. No, Namdhari.. you read the real history and Bani… you’ll know that no Satguru would ever come after Guru Granth Sahib ji..
HOnestly get a freaking life… naamdharis need to be abolished and nobody needs to be speaking to them.. they’re f*gs.. lets all get over it and move on and just be happy that you aint a naamdhari… and if you are a naamdhari.. be one.. we dont care… shinda aint one so move on off his blog and go worship whoever u want.. just be gone..
Taksali
There is no difference between your way of thinking and fundamental Muslims. You want to convert everyone to your way of thinking. It doesn’t happen. It’s what causes wars. It is definately what is not taught to us by our Gurus.
You all keep harping on about your interpretation of Gurbani. I DO read Gurbani every day. I also have a Guru who explains it’s meaning to me. And the meaning is the same as it has always been. All our Gurus pre and including-Guru Gobind Singhji were Human in form and they praised the Human Guru within the Gurbani they wrote. When Guru Angad Devji describes His Guru He meant Guru Nankdevji, not any of His Shabads! His Shabads have a very important significance, however they cannot replace Him. A Guru speaks. His spoken word is Shabad, or Gurbani. At no time or with any stretch of imagination (other than your own) does Shabad take the place of the Guru. Instead of ranting ignorant repeatitions, open the Gurbani and read it putting yourselves in the times of, say, Guru Arjun Devji. What was His value after He compiled the Gurbani? I have seen modern pictures where they show Guru Arjun Devji walking alone without any Chaur over His Sees and all the Sangat behind the Pothi Sahib, as it was called then.
Do you really think that was how it was?
Gurbani states .. ‘Gur – KA – Sabad time and time again. It’s literal meaning gives us two entities: The GURU and His SABAD.
When HE has spoken His Bani, that Bani becomes Guru because it is GURbani as opposed to just bani(’katchi bani’ spoken by you or me).
Your ‘gianis’ translate this Shabad to mean that the Bani or Sabad has displaced the Guru. That has never been so, because Human Gurus came after this Shabad was composed by Guru Amardasji.
Think on these facts.
Sat-Sri-Akaal
like i said NAAMDHARI goooo away .. nobody likes u..
wateva bob .. truth hurtz init .. thank u sikh namdhari..
dhan sri satguru jagjit singh ji
yeh it hurts really bad… get a freaking life.. maybe we shud call u a guru now too since u know everything… preach elsewhere ******
thanx bob..Plz leave this site..
As long as you people keep putting up abominations like this site you will get replies. Stop attacking us and we have no quarrel with you. This site picked the fight. So stop the insults and tell your guru shinda to dismantel this site and we won’t be on here!
Simple, isn’t it?
Our Guru is the true Satguru Shri Guru Nanak Dev ji and his jot is in Guru Granth Sahib. We just dont call anyone person our Guru like some religions do.. Also, what Shinda posted was a real video.. deal wid your issues then come here..
Khalsa Gaggay, Pakhandi Nassay
AKAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL
also, its easier to dismantle Narakdharis than Shinda blogs.. Truth is never dismantled.. house of lies does fall..its just a matter of time..
btw…where was this Bhai Jagjit Singh during 1984?
Why is this argument still happening?
Besharam narakdharis get a life and run away, go do simran and leave us alone.What will you achieve by this nonsense?
Taksali
Satguru Jagjit Singhji was in India helping the families of those who suffered, and trying to make the instigators of that treachery see sense-on both sides of the fence.
Sikh Namdhari,
the namdhari states “namdharis were fighting the british” — sunshine, namdharis dont even believe in shedding blood they want to keep their white cloths nice and clean. do u wear a kirpan?? no u dont. u talk of the namdhari movement as though they were ones that agitated against british colonial rule ha! u should join the comedy curcuit, better yet the circus as a clown.
the namdhari states “dismantle the site” — how about u dismantle yourself, then the site will serve no further purpose. As long as fanatics like u exist, theres allways need for sites showing the truth.
The namdhari states “u are like fundamentalist muslims forcing your views upon others” —– I do not force my view upon any1, but i ask u not to alter what is true. It is u who is similar to the FUNDAMENTALIST HINDU. You think sikhs are hindus, u certainly are hindu since u call yourself namdhari and namdharis call for protection of the cow in their ardas.
this is a serperate maryada that came into existence after the 10th guru. I do not speak foul of your 4 additional gurus, however i would like to ask u 1 thing.. which guru out of the first 10 maharajs talked of protecting the cow?
I’ll asnwer it for u..the answer is they didnt ,,they tlaked of loving all living creatures, the hindu ideology protects the cow and keeps it sacred and therefor u are a EXTREMIST HINDU because u try to force your views of the cow on others.
the namdhari states “guru-ka- shabad states two entities” — Guru Gobind singh ji said that the guru granth sahib is the embodiment of all the gurus. Guru ji also said that after me there shall be no other apart frmo eternal guru , guru granth sahib ji.
u pick and choose what suits u.
this debate is now over, cease from your hindu fundamentalist insulting replies. And i only pray that u see the light.
Jatha Lion
If you can prove to me that Guru Gobind Singhji said ‘There shall be no more Gurus after me, other than Guru Granth Sahibji’ using Guruji’s handwritten texts I hereby solemly swear I shall follow your creed. I promise you I will join your clan.
BUT GIVE ME THE AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL PROOF YOU SAY YOU HAVE. Put your proof where your insults are.
In the meantime, stop attacking my beliefs. You have no right.
As I said before, as long as this site is here, we are here.
“as long as this site is here then we are here”.. what a douchebag.. let me break it down for u.. aint nobody impressed by naamdharis here.. u think ur proving a point and u think ur going to destroy what guru granth sahib ji for us?.. screw off buddy and get a life, believe what you believe but you best believe that your a moron..and quite frankly we are glad you aint a sikh cus ur twisted.. now go on and do some freaky dance and we can call it kookay gone wild part 2…
Kookay gone wild part 2
LMAO
Naamdhari…. I got Guru Sahib’s handwritten text.. here is the link.. so you gun take amrit now and give up dem white kurta pajamas and wear Guru’s bana.. you vowed.. better live up to it..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/khalsalionz/369230117/
You can check this at Sikh Heritage lib at Sri Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. I dont know about your cult.. but in real Sikhi, a Sikh should back away from his bachan.. if you think this is fake.. compare Guru Sahib’s handwriting wid first 2 lines of Akal Ustat Swaiyey.. Guru sahib wrote them.. they match.. and Dasan Dass has seen Guru sahib’s handwriting at Takht Sri Damdama Sahib.. both these scripts match..
What do you say now ?
shouldnt back away from his/her bachan**
btw.. shindeya. do you have the sound track for the shabad from Kookay gone wild 1? lemme know…
Dhan Guru Granth Sahib ji…SACCHAY SATGURU ji
Taksali
I’ve read the link you have provided. That certainly seems, from the style of language, to be authentic. However, NOWEHERE in this letter does Guruji say there will be no more Human Gurus after Him!
In the letter He has ordered His Khalsa to read Gurbani and do Simran, just as all the Gurus before and after Him have, and is doing.
By the way I have taken AMRIT. Nobody can be a Khalsa without it.
Thank you for giving me darshan of the letter. I love and honour you for it. Now can you show me a link to where Guruji has written: NO MORE HUMAN GURUS? I still stand by my bachan.
Sat-Sri-Akaal
Bob(Very Sikh name)
Nobody is here to break your faith in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. I would be a sinner if I even contemplated it. We are only here to try to stem the lies people are telling in an attempt to degrade and insult what we believe. Nobody has that right, but everyone has a right to defend their own belief. This site is an attack on our belief. The video is of a elderly Saadh who, raptured in his love for the Lord and His Gurbani, has lost control of Himself. It happens. But only to those who have such a fierce love for Gurbani. The Shabad the Raagis are singing is a Shabad by Bhagat Naamdevji on page 1164 Aadh Sri Guru Granth Sahib: ‘Mei bouri, mera Ram bhathhar..’ Bouri means to be ‘in a state of disorientation’ through love.
The following line in the next stanza:
‘Bhalei nindho, bhalei nindho loggu, than man Ram piarei jog is directed at people like you who ridicule his state of mind and body.
If only you knew the meaning of these words from your hearts you would understand why this Saadh is in the state he is in.
To ridicule him is to ridicule the very Gurbani you are trying to defend. Go and do simran for as long as this Saadhu has ( he must be 70 years old) and then see if you feel the same way or not.
Have shame.
You non-Namdharis crack me up… You claim that we are not Sikhs but if you go to a non-Namdhari gurdwara and its 95% monay! Sometimes you cant even tell if you just walked into a gurdwara, or a mandir or a mosque..LOL. Atleast in our gurdwaras, you’ll walk into a room full of turbans and beards. Why dont look into your own community and see the lack of Sikhi in it before attacking Namdharis?
Salam a lakum!
One other thing:
“Sub sikhon ko hukum hai, guru manyeo granth”
Written by Bhai Pralad Singh NOT Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Get it through your heads.
Also:
“Bani Guru, Guru hai Bani”
Please stop using this line to further your believe that the Granth Sahib is the Guru. It makes no sense considering that very next line in the shabad refers to a Partak Guru.
Sorry I just seem to read that a lot on these Namdhari-bashing sites and it gets a bit comical.
“Bani guru, guru hai bani vich bani amrit saray. Bani kahay savek jun manay thud PARTAK guru nastaray”
naamdhari, sikh, muslim, hindu…whatever religion you are. Paap, pun, seva, paath, simran….all of this pointless, all religion is pointless if one acts in ego. What is ego? Ego is ‘i’, ‘my’, ‘me’. What is mine, what is yours? nothing. to sit here under the assumption one person is going to so called heaven because they believe something slightly different then the other is absurd. To say that one goes to heaven because of their pun is absurd.
Destruction of the Mind is what a sikh does, and he does it through Gurbani. Gurbani is Truth, regardless of what sect or religion you are. If you follow it without ego, that person is a Sikh. A sikh must go beyond sensual please, must go beyond a worldly level to acheive this.
One day this life will end, one day we will reap what we sow. If cannot move beyond such basic things, then sikhi is very, very far away. All is hukum, why are we worried about things which are not in our control? Why does our ego insist on engaging in these petty battles on the internet or everyday life? If we live in a dream life, ie duality, and think that we can attain elightenment while still having arugments, watching TV, movies, engaging in sangat of manmukhs? we cannot. Guru ji says the only way to survive is through naam, which is attained when we have pyar for guru ji by understanding him through bani. This is accomplished through saadh sangat.
do your best and let Him worry about it.
Callingit..”REAL” Gurudwara is for everyone.. and there is not such as my Gurudwara or your Gurudwara.. the True Satguru is out to help everyone regardless of religion or caste..
Btw..it is just wrong to dance..when kirtan is going on….by the there no such thing as tudh partak guru.. dont alter bani to spread your propaganda.. there is no Tudh… Partak Guru Nistray means.. you do darshan of Guru’s darshan is Gurbani.. do Anvay of this tuk..you’ll get your answer.. For God’s sake.. look deeply into Gurbani..and leave this nonsensical arguments
Fateh
CallingItHowItis
Please calm down and stop misquoting Gurbani.
Taksali
We do look deeply into Gurbani. All I am asking you to do is to understand Gurbani from the perspective of WHEN it was written. It was composed by a Living Human Guru, who speaks of His Guru explaining Gurbani to Him. Gurbani is always spoken by a Human Satguru, to whom God has revealed Himself. The fact that it has been written down doesn’t eliminate the Human Guru. Don’t in your haste in trying to prove your cause relegate ALL our Gurus to a status of non-existance.
Bani Guru, GURU hei BANI, vich Bani Amrit sarei
GUR BANI KEHE (Guru speaks BANI -notice the word ‘kehe’)
Sevak jan manei, partakh Guru nastarei.
Gurbani is the Guru of all bani because it is spoken by the Guru.
(…Bania sir Bani).
Of course when Guru Arjun Devji compiled the Aadh Guru Granth Sahib He raised it to a status higher than His own, because Sri Gurudevji was the epitomy of Humility. We mere mortals and sinners should not see a difference between the Guru and His spoken Shabad, for it is through the Shabad that we meet (have Darshan) of the Living Guru. Everything we do – all Naam Simeran, all recitations of Gurbani, all Seva is for the Holy Darshan of our Living Guru who God sends to this Earth in the form of Satguru Nanakdevji- God in Human form. ‘Aap Narain KALADHAR Jag mei parvario.
Please understand , we cannot fathom the Lord and His doings. Let us not engage in these evil bickerings. I did not want to quote Gurbani on such site as this. Evil beings like Shinda doesn’t understand the power of Gurbani. He talks about people insulting it. What has he done?
THE VIDEO HE HAS POSTED IS PART OF A 3 HOUR LONG KIRTEN OF ASA-DI-VAAR.. – GURBANI FROM AADH GURU GRANTH SAHIB. THE SHABAD, AS I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE IS TOWARDS THE END OF THE KIRTEN.
NOW I ASK YOU, MY VEERS, ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED YOUR NINDHIA, INSULTS AND SWEAR WORDS OVER THE LAST YEAR AFTER HEARING THE HOLY WORDS OF SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIBJI:
IS POSTING ALL OF THESE ARTICLES ON THE SAME PAGE ON WHICH GURBANI IS BEING SUNG, RESPECT?
Namdhari bro..
a. Gurbani is Guru. Guru Nanak Dev ji said that there is something higher than God; that is God’s name- “Uchay Upar Uchaaa Nao”. Through Gurbani you do partakh darshan of Waheguru. Also, if you dont believe that Guru Granth Sahib ji was given Gurgaddi then where the proof that a Dehdhari was given gurgaddi? What about “GIAN GURU Atam updeso”? Sikh’s Guru is Gian bro.
b. What do you know about Shinda? I have known him for a few years, I cant even start explaining his sewa to the panth.
P.S. I apologize for ever being rude to you… we are all on the learning curve.. Sadly,some are in a different quadrant..
Fateh
dear brother!
guru bani means true words spoken by our gurus.i didn’t saw any word in shri granth sahib that prove to granth guru.
–mainly your question is, “bani guru guru hai bani………
— answer is, “aavo sikh satguru ke pyareo gavo sachi bani, bani ta gavo guru keri bania sir bani”.
“Uchay uper uchaa nao , “really naam is higher than all, for example “prabh ka simran sab te uchaa” but who will give you naam? only dehdhari will give you naam, although he is sadhu ,sant,mahaatma,or panj pyarey but all are dehdhari.
-do you know the mean of “MANTER DEEO GUR KAN”
DO YOU KNOW THE MEAN OF “KARAN KAARAN RAAM CHAND KAARAN VASS HOYEYA DEHDHARI”
-DO YOU KNOW THE MEAN OF “DHAN DHAN GURU JIN NAAM ARADHEYAA AAP TAREYA JINI DITHAA TINA LAY SHADAYE(SHRI GRANTH PAGE 310)
-DO YOU KNOW THE MEAN OF “HAR NAAM DIYA GUR PARUPKARI,DHAN DHAN GURU KA PITAA MATA”
DEAR BROTHERS, THESE ALL ARE PROVES IN SHRI GRANTH SAHIB ABOUT DEHDHARI.YOU HAVE TO NEED FOR LEARN GURUBANI EVERYDAY THAN YOU CAN KNOW THAT WHAT IS TRUTH.
MY DEAR PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND GURUBANI.
DEAR BROTHER,
SAT SHRI AKAL
” GUR BANI KHE SEVAK JAN MAANE PARTAKH GURU TISTAAREY”
MEANS SATGURU BANI KAHE ,SATGURU SPEAKS THE WORDS BY HIS ENTERNAL VOICE,REAL VOICE AND SIKH BELIEVS ON THAT WORD THAN SIKH CAN GAIN PARAM PADVI .
THANKS.
Taksai Brother
Isn’t this so pleasant? I accept your apology with honour and I also apologise if I have said anything to offend you, too.
Let us not argue over our different interpretations of Gurbani.
I want to try and find thoughts that bring us closer together, not tear us apart.
YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOUR INTERPRETATION OF GURBANI. I RESPECT THAT. IF I TRY TO BREAK THAT FAITH, THEN MY GURU TELLS ME I AM A SINNER.
CAN YOU FIND IT IN YOUR HEART TO EXTEND ME THE SAME COURTESY?
If all of us sat and talked like this, I am sure we could become a Panth that could take on the world and make it a better place.
Veerji, the only difference between us is one that is not an issue to fight over. Namdhari Sikhs have a long and proud heritage. Those of you younger brothers who have been raised to be offended by our existance have been mislead. Please, as I have said before, try to learn with patience, dignity and respect. I used to be a very fanatical Namdhari, willing to die and kill for my cause. But now, I’ve realised that that is not who my Guru wants me to be! I employ lots of my Sikh brothers with whom I have discourses every day and we have built up such a wonderful relationship. I didn’t realise how much Naam Simran they do. At the same time they have learnt a lot about who I, as a Namdhari Sikh, am.
They are as disgusted as I am about this site. To raise hatred amongst each other is so wrong. If Shinda does so much Seva, hasn’t he realised the basic principles of Nimerta, respect and a desire not to hurt other peoples feelings?
What you MUST realise is the world is made up of many different colours. We can’t go around enforcing our ideas on others or condemning others for their differences to us.
As far as Sikhi is concerned, we are all creations of our Lord God. If Namdharis are on the wrong path, then let God decide our fate. You stick to your faith. If yours IS the right path then you have Akaal Purakh on your side. Why would you want to worry about what we do. He will look after His own.
Show everyone what good Sikhs YOU ARE. Be understanding, respectful and tolerant. True Knowledge comes through learning, not conflict. If you learn about Namdhari Sikhs, you will not become weak, nor will you be poisoned. Instead I promise you, you will be enriched in Sikhi.
Brother Taksali- you seem to have some knowledge about Gurbani. Keep learning. We all have a long way to go yet. But promise me just one thing:
Go forward with an open mind and without hatred for anyone. Forgive even those who strike you, for your protector is Akaal Purakh.
I am not going to answer the last two questions you have asked me on here because I don’t feel this site is suitable for discourses on Gurbani. There is too much of Kalyug’s stench here.
Can I just say have faith in what you believe. At the end of the day it’s not what religious rituals we practice that is going to save our souls, but how much FAITH we have in what we do to become one with Akaal Purakh.
Love and respect to you, especially for continuing this dialogue with respect.
Sat-Sri-Akaal
PS Can I request my fellow Namdhari Sikhs not to post any inflammatory articles on here? Please.
Besides, I have just read what DDR Singhji has written above- Those lines from Gurbani should give much food for thought.
Sat-Sri Akaal to All
Sorry for misquoting the Granth Sahib. It was an honest unintentional mistake. I stand corrected. Having said that, reading some of the postings on this site is VERY un-Sikh and gets me a bit angry. I have many Sikh (non-Namdhari Sikh) friends and we have excellent relationships. The way I see it is this:
Everyone ulitmately has a choice…
We can either look at each other as brothers and look at what we have in common. Even through Namdhari’s believe in a living guru, the only thing our guru ever preaches is to do naam and live by the words of Gurbani.
OR
You can just get caught up in the differences and create animosity.
I think the latter will just make you a worse Sikh. Namdhari or not.
shinda has done very good seva to panth by brining this cult in the open.namdraries are not sikhs they are just hindus in white turbans and we as a sikh nation we need to stand againts these fulls .jagjit in not satguru he is just a idot.they only have one aim to ditory sikhi and turn us into hindus.we are totaly againts this stupid cult.
- 1 saakat nirgunaia apna mool pachaan.
- 2 moorkhey naal na lujhiae parh akhar eho bujhiae.
Gurcharan
No comment.
oi gurcharan singh ..y r u insulting satguru jagjit singh ji like that!! calling them an idiot ..r u feeling ok?!?! yeh i havent said anything in a long time because of what the other namdharis on this site have been saying .. i respect wat they been saying .. its so true and said with innocence .. but people like u jus dunt get it .. if u dunt wna believe that guru jagjit singh is a guru .. FINE!! buh dunt b sayin stuff bout em like that
dhan sri satguru jagjit singh ji
ddr Singhji
Can I respectfully request you to stop posting Gurbani on this blog until such time as they remove ALL the profanities on here.
Hard Kaur
Please stop getting emotional.
Remember what Satguruji teaches us about retaliating. Our aim on here is solely to have this offending blog removed. Try not to continue the conversation at their low level. If gurcharan needs shindas blog to ‘bring us out into the open’ as he calls it, what sort of life do you think he has he been living? Namdharis ‘have been out in the open’ before his great, great grandparents were born! If there are any ‘cults’ around, they are ones that spawn hate blogs like this one.
I wonder what Mr Shinda is doing all this while. You are being very quiet Shinda. Cat got your tongue, son?
I have been viewing your other articles on here. You present yourself as being a very learned, liberal and wise man elsewhere. So what posseses you to be so fanatical and hateful on this issue?
Why don’t we become friends and talk about your problems with co- existing with us Namdharis. I assure you we are not out to destroy you. They tell me you do a lot of seva. That is a sign of a good Sikh. Another example of a good Sikh was Bhai Ghaneyaji. Do you know the Sakhi? He gave water to the enemy wounded on the battlefield.
You are wounding a lot of your fellow Sikh brothers and sisters, who have never considered you as ‘the enemy’, even if you do. You have brought this fight to us. Now, I bring you water. Come and share peace and love Shinda.
I’m sure you are reading these posts. Please come out and talk to me.
respected sikh namdhari,
ok i will stop to write gurbani, i respect you, but my dear i cannot tolerate this nonsense ……..
sat shri akal
since “sikh namdhari” here has a problem with my name ill change it to BOBPREET SINGH and now maybe he’ll listen to me… i really dont get you.. what are you trying to accomplish?.. we don’t consider you our “brothers” nor do we respect you and we never will.. ur public enemy #1.. before anyone else.. its you we hate.. and ur fellow brethren such as nirankaris and whoever else believes similar **** that you do.. do urself a favour, do not try to diminish the vast differences between ur beliefs and ours and don’t try to get along with us.. cus like i said WE DONT LIKE YOU.. shinda is not going to become your friend.. and you best believe that even in your wildest dreams of destroying us.. u cant touch us brother.. just walk away.. u are what u are.. we know what u are.. and u just not cool with us.. so be gone son
ding ding ding..another one goes to BOB PREET SINGH…