Great post I agree

singh jee,

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa
vaaheguroojeekeefatheh!!!

a sanjaa smagam is not a smagam for different jathas at war. if it was, it would be called a “shaant-mayee” smagam or a “aman” (peace) smagam. it is sanjaa meaning all of the jathebandis purposefully come together to do a program together. yes, anybody is “allowed” to participate in the programs of various jathas, but does anybody actually do it? most people attend the programs of their own jatha most of the time, and other jathas rarely. i honestly feel that your post was counter productive, and also for those people who are trying to have such programs in toronto, bc, or the uk, it would be discouraging for them to read your post, because so many people visit your blog and take your posts seriously. those people who are doing seva in toronto, bc, or uk for having a sanjaa smagam, as long as they are not doing it with the wrong intentions, then why should anybody bash them? if they are doing it for some reason other than to have everybody do keertan together, then we should protest. gursikhs should especially not put down their own gursikh family for organizing positive events. please forgive my mistakes.

vaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa
vaaheguroojeekeefatheh !!!

HOLD UP HEYY!!! first of all, I don’t know how you can say this,

yes, anybody is “allowed” to participate in the programs of various jathas, but does anybody actually do it? most people attend the programs of their own jatha most of the time, and other jathas rarely.

I don’t know who you are and where you live, and I don’t wanna know for that matter but if you live in Toronto and you can post wat I pasted above, all I can say is where u been? I’ve attended and have seen different jathas attend different jatha kirtans. Not recently but from time. Sure maybe not everysingle person from each jatha attends a different jathas kirtan but that’s never going to happen. Even when someone does do a Sanjha Smaggam you think all members of jathas are gonna attend? NAHHHHH! Leave it how it is especially in Toronto and dun hate!

kulpreet u clearly seem to have missed the point of the post.
“it is sanjaa meaning all of the jathebandis purposefully come together to do a program together.”

thats the whole point of the post so maybe ur just confused. This already happens in malton, dixie, dasmesh darbar or khalsa school every SINGLE day. and i know ur next argument would be that although it does take place, its at various times.. this is where the idea of a sanjha smagam really seems like a joke, or if u wanna give it credibility then somewhat of a conspiracy as u see in these “sanjha” smagams people will only come for their time.. if a ddt is up his/her ppl will be there backin em up.. same with akjs.. and well if ur dodra then any1 feelin DGN X infinity will be there.. but other than that if some1 from a certain group sat through the kirtan of another either it was accidental and they got the time wrong or they just showed up a bit too early and now are impatiently waiting for their own people.. and all of u haters that are gonna try to make ur idealistic views seem like the norm than please explain to me that if this smagam is soo sanjha what will people be doing in the langar hall? u will see members of groups that are not performing at the time loungin in the langar hall.. and if u still got somethin to say then just read the name and shutup shutup shutup shutup just shutup shutup

all i have to say is
critisize things that will harm the Panth or Sikhi
if something will only produce fal then there’s nothin to criticize it about
if something is being done against GurmatMaryada, or Panthic unity, then stand up against it and discuss its faults
But if someone can be helped by a sanja smagam and get laha out of it, then whats wrong with it..

Honestly a sanja smagam would remind me of puratan times when even if there were different ‘jathay’ people would still chill together instead of having REGULAR seperate programs
sorry if i offended anyone’s point of view that is not my intention. I just feel like there’s no point in going against someones honest efforts for seva or even just talking negatively about anything gurbani related, i mean people will be doing bani, whats bad in that, oh well. bhul chuk maf

Everyone shouldn’t get all emotional over this post. Its only a POV, I can see where its coming from. How come no one is laughing..

chear up!
“Last I remember, kirtanis ranged from all over the place, from classical raag kirtanis with their “sa re ga maa’s”, AKJ’s with there “groo grooo” intensified simran, and even Dodra Kirtani’s with their trademark “Dharn Guru Nanak” line, shouldn’t all these be labelled as Sanjha also?”

ahhahahahahhaahahhaahhaahahahahaahhahaah
thas wicked……

Kulpreet Singh, I see where you are coming from, but I see this whole idea of a “saanjha” smaagam to be counter productive. Firstly it will draw imaginerary lines between jathay…..you will see people show up and ppl will like, yo look at that, the taksalis came, or “yo, how come there are only 10 taksalis but 50 AKJ ppl here” or, “How come people in dodra do their eyebrows?”

2ndly, this sanjha smaagam will introduce countless new ppl to jathas that they even knew existed before. Believe it or, the vast majority of sikhs are not part of a jatha, and dont really care what jatha a person is from and just consider everyone a singh or a bibi.

3rdly, how about the people who dont run around repping a jatha? This seems to be the “type” of sikh that is getting really promoted these days…..what are you gonna do with the normal Singh who doesn;t associate himself with any jatha and just goes along doing his bhagtee at home, singing “this ghar baisahu har jan piaray, satgur tumarae kaaj savarae” all day? You realize that this smaagam has pretty much left this Singh in the cold, fealing left out, and unwanted (ok, maybe exxagerated but still, you get the point). Pretty much all this saanjha smaagam is promoting is calling urself either Taksali, AKJ, or dodra (afterall, they seem to be the only represented jathas at the so called saanjha smaagam)

4th, THERE ARE MORE THEN 3 SIKH JATHAY, where are the rest gonna be. Not only are there more than 3, but a lot are alot bigger then dodra. How many sikhs know what rara sahib is? How many know who nihangs are? How many know what nanaksar is? How bout missionaries? How bout the typical people that bow down to akaal takhat maryada? How bout hoti mardan waley and all the deras that branched off from that? How about tapoban? How about 3H0? How gonna ignore more then 90% of sikh jathay at a so called sanjha smaagam (and dont even tell me having 2 nihangs showing up is representing all nihangs, nor is having one guy that does seva at nanaksar mean ur representing nanaksar, the truth is that only 3 jathay will have any representation)

5th….Im pretty sure most organizers are affiliated with dodra, so wats gonna go down with maryada? Is everyone allowed to kirtan? Or only people wearing keskis? Either way im pretty sure either AKJ pr dodra will be upset.

So yeah, kulpreet Singh, just think about it, will this Saanjha smaagam cause more good then bad? And dont be like people can goto the gurdwara and listen to kirtan together, so its obviously more good than bad, cuz a Gursikh should be up in sangat everyday, if possible, anyways.

G good post

I agree with Shinda’s post. Alot of “hype” is being put into the whole panthic “ekta” thing and I think this Sanjha Samagum is just another form of it. Personally, I don’t think anyone here will see Panthic Ekta in their lifetime because 1) You can’t define what it is and, 2) I don’t think it ever existed in the first place.

Also, I have a feeling like this sanjha samagum is gonna be more about “Jatha Kirtan Wars Part I” than anything. It’s gonna be thamaasha seeing AKJ and crew get up when “their” kirtanee goes up. Dodra and crew get up when “their” kirtanee gets up. Taksal and crew get up when “their” kirtanee gets up.

Lastly, it going to be interesting to see if there will be any ‘recruiting’ at this samagum for certain jathas.
And Kulpreet Singh don’t be too hard on Shinda Singh, he pretty much said what alot of people were already thinking.

vaaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa
vaaaheguroojeekeefatheh !!!!

to all my gurmukh pyare veers who think my post was incorrect, please forgive me for anything i said against gurmat. i am from bc, not toronto, so i don’t know about the smagams there, or the politics. if the toronto smagam is not being organized with the right intentions i humbly request all of my brave brothers and sisters to be involved and do whatever is right. i do not want to argue with you because you have more knowledge than me but i just want to clarify some things just in case any bc sangat reads this blog.

“G” jee, regarding your third, fourth, and fifth points. of course if there was a sanja smagam, sanja means together or collective, right? so everybody from all groups, not just taksal sangat, jatha sangat, dodra sangat. i’m guessing all of the sevadaars would try to include sangat from all different groups, and even those who aren’t in groups, or don’t believe in groups, or are in every single group. and in bc, the organization of the smagam would not be done by just one sangat. i’m not sure if in toronto it will be done just by “dodra sangat” youth, but in bc it will be different. the seva will be done by people from all different groups, people who aren’t in groups, etc. and they are doing it with pyar and sharda for guru ji and guru ji’s gursikhs, not to prove a point or to claim any title. i honestly feel there can only be good from a smagam if it’s done in guru ji’s hazoori and not organized with the wrong reasons. of course people can think whatever they want in their minds, every day people come to the gurdwara sahib and they have thoughts in their minds but the keertan does not stop. gurbani and guru sahib are attal, abichal - peoples negative thoughts or peoples political thoughts should not affect guru ji’s sangat. so even if people were to come to the smagam and think negatively in their mind, guru ji’s kirtan would still continue and the people who come there with bhaao bhagat avastha would still benefit. honestly even if the bhaao bhagat vaalay gursikh are pleased, it is such a vadda upkaar to please akaal purakh’s bhagat. so if the smagam gives some gurmukh pyara and opportunity to do keertan or sit in the sangat, that is chardee kalaa. if some soul bride earns naam profits from the smagam and becomes closer to guru ji, or if some lost manmukh like me gets inspired at the smagam and comes onto the guru’s path, with guru ji’s kirpa, thats chardee kalaa.

bhul chuk maaf karnaa

vaaaheguroojeekaakhaalsaa
vaaaheguroojeekeefatheh!!!!!!

AHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Some of this stuff is funny such as,

you will see people show up and ppl will like, yo look at that, the taksalis came, or “yo, how come there are only 10 taksalis but 50 AKJ ppl here” or, “How come people in dodra do their eyebrows?”

If you can’t laugh while reading that, you’re just sad.

Kulpreet Singh, no body will argue with you that listening to kirtan in sangat is very goood, as it was stated in the previous post, I believe a Gursikh shoulcd try to go in guru sahibs hazoori atleast once a day. Nor will anyone argue that if someone gets inspired by the keertan its a positive. A saanjha smaagam is not required to get people to keertan as there are monthly youth keertan darbars already and the friday/tuesday dixie simran sessions seem to be getting bigger and bigger every week.

Also, I think you are uninformed about the Ontario situation.

Firstly, there isnt much beef in ontario with different jatheybandian. Even when there are problems, they are usual;ly on a small scale, and for the most part everyone gets along with a few minor problems along the way.

Secondly, as Shinda said there is a youth keertan almost every month that have all different types of keertan going on in it and have representation from different jathay.

Thirdly, getting ekta isnt about putting on a show to try to make it seem like all is well and good, its about things actually being well and good. RIght now I dont even think things are too bad, but if you want to make it better why not work thru the things that are already happening? There is a weekly youth kirtan at gurdwara jot prakash…..why not encourage more people to come there? Or why not encourage more people to come listen to more katha? Or there is even AKJ aasaa kee vaar at dixie. Why not try to improve the existing programs instead of just creating more programs which are just pretty much a larger version of the youth keertans that happen every month?

I heard this post is a publicity stunt to get more people to show up

kulpreet, i’m wondering which ppl in bc will be organizing this “saanjha smagaam” because when i hear about somethin like an akaand jaap going on or this saanjha smagaam i automatically think that the garcha/Guru Nanak academy/taksali’s will be putting it on. this makes me really negative when it comes to attending these programs becuase you automatically know its gonna be a huge front fest. first kids and young adults will be organizing…and in this case young adults that honestly change their identity on a daily basis. they sit on stage do kirtan, preach to little kids, run prgrams and camps yet they are so far from the things their preaching. you hear about how one day their doing katha at the gurdwraa dn the next day their dating someone. and its sad that this group seems to dominate the lower mainland and that a lot of kids look up to them because this group really puts themselves out there. and about you saying that the sevaa and organization of this will try to be done by all the diff groups coming together…i highly doubt that…because anyone that takes their sikhi seoirusly would defintely think twice about associating themselves with some of these ppl. i’m sorry if i sound judgemental or if i name dropped.

Vaahegurooo ..

Jio lets always look at the positive from things and not always only negatives. Im sure we can see more positive then negative from sevadars arranging an event such as this one like kulpreet singh said. They are doing seva let them do it and lets all support and not critisize.

Its easier for us all to critisize the seva done but really hard to acknowledge the seva thats being done.

Vaaahegurooo .. bhul chuk maph ..

After careful analysis of all of the above comments, I must say ‘G’ made some good points. However, although some of the comments made by you were funny, could have been offending to some.

You stated:
or “yo, how come there are only 10 taksalis but 50 AKJ ppl here” or, “How come people in dodra do their eyebrows?”

Your argument might be that you just quoted what some people were saying but people talk alotta **** and they just dont do it about dodray. I aint no dodra person myself but in a batch of Xitems …there is x amount of good things and x amount of bad.. You could have said many other things because I know for a fact people talk **** about any1 who ‘does their eyebrows’ But the fact that you quoted something that singled out just a particular group, shows your bias…..which i must say displays a sign of weakness.

oh and about sanjha programs..ud probably get alot more sangat if there was awareness and influence amongst a jathabandee..but then again as G stated people would be labeled according to their groups..but that happens all the time especially amongst the youth regardless of it being a Youth keertan darbar where most of the people are dodray, a program where your favorite Raagi Bhai Harjinder Singh is doing keertan or say an Akj program with the majority of the people being akjs..

.the truth is people are so caught up with promoting such events that they forget about the purpose of the event in itself..

go ahead promote a sanjha program, show up in bana looking like a gurmukh but then sit and listen to the keertan dont just walk around and make a scene ..and then dont go home and come online on msn and talk **** to ur friend about how the taksalis always make a scene while mathateking, or how the so called ‘keertani bibian’ were doing keertan with makeup on and their face done.. or even how some people pose to be bibeki and cant eat from the langar being served…

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh!!

I just want to say y’all can’t be more wrong with your replies, especially the original post. From the looks of it, it sounds if everybody’s trying to indicate that this samagam will be some ‘dodra samagam’ or something. Well you’re wrong if you think that. It sounds of many of you are AGAINST the concept of ’saanjha’. Why do you people try to bring down a positive thing? Yes, we DO have keerten everyday at the local gurdwaras, but how many times do you see the sangat getting involved? Its just raagi’s the basically run the show. And I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that at all. This program will allow everybody to get involved. It will be a full samagam with morning and night programz. Morning sessions will consist of Naam Abhiyaas, Nitnem, Asa Di Vaar and Keertan. Afternoon Sessions will consist of Simran, Rehras Sahib Da Paath and Keertan.

This program will NOT divide things even more, I don’t see how that would be the case. This program will NOT only be “Dodra”, AKJ, and Taksal. Everybody is invited to come. We have also notified other sangats. Those who we know. And for those who we don’t know, that doesn’t matter, they are all welcome and asked to come attend this program. As an above post said, there are many more jathay then just those 3 I mentioned. There does not have to be ‘war’ for it to be called a sanjha samagam. Nobody is saying that there is BEEF in Toronto. Things are actually going fairly well. But does that stop us from having a samagam? Should we wait until some ruckus for us to have a samagam? From reading some of comments, it seems to me that some people don’t WANT Ekta. Some people would jus rather be left alone and do their thing. Some people just want to be different. So y’all can put the samagam down as much as you want, you’re just hurting urselves.

As for the comment of BC sangat having a sanjha samagam at the same time, thats nonsense. Toronto sanjha samagam sevadars have actually been contacted by BC sevadars in regards to this samagam, and they are aware of the fact this samagam will happen this year. In fact, many of them are inclined to attend this samagam. So that shoots down that comment.

About keertan darbars and ’should they be labelled sanjha’? Of course they should. why not?.. there are youth from different jatthas, and youth from not jatthas, al coming together and singing praises. This samagam will not only focus on youth, it will also focus on the elders. This samagam will not only be one nite, it will be several dayz. So go ahead, call the youth keertan darbars ’sanjha samagams’.

I honestly do think this is ranting over nothing. What is so wrong about having a samagam where all are invited to come and singh Gods praises?

This samagam will be organized by youths from several jatthas. We also hope to have a gatka demonstration durin the samagam as one of the events. The last nite will be a Raensabhaee.

I find it funny how people try to put POSITIVE parchar down. Its amazing what people will bicker about nowadayz. Do not put something down if you don’t know all the details. Instead you all should be supproting this event. Sure there are still some points that need to be taken into considerations. We all make some mistakes, if y’all see somethin that needs to be fixed, then approach one of the sevadars and try to get it fixed. Don’t sit on the computer and put down a GOOD THING.

So I encourage all of you to come out and experience the samagam for yourself. Take part, do keertan, do seva, get involved.

Chardi Kalaa!!

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh!!

I just want to say the guru nanak academy shouldn’t be associated with “garcha” sangat or whatever else, can we stop dropping names, guru nanak academy is a well established and well respected institute started by bhai parminder singh, it is guru’s karaj and parminder singh and other likewise gurmukhs put a lot of sweat and simran into it. So I think it’s immature and unsightly for someone to put that with other categories ie. garcha or taksali

can we just back off a bit it just seems like it’s gone too far already

I think that Veerji Shinda Singh brought up a great point and this is a healthy discussion.

My question is why is it called a Sanjha Smaagam. Guru Sahib never divided anything. So why are we calling it a Saanjha. Why don’t we call it a Mahaan Keertan Darbaar and do open Sadda.

But my question is will this Smaagam be on a stage or the floor. Will bibian without a keski be allowed to do Keertan and Will there be an issue if 50 Singhs walk in at the same time.

These are all REAL issues. Veerji has just brought a dose of reality to all of U. Why does everybody keep saying that we are putting down a Positive event. First of all the people who are on this thread saying that are scared that this Blog is gonna not bring people to the Smagam. This blog does not change anything as to how people think.

If this blog had that much say then I think Veerji should enter some political party and make this blog his campaign headquarters as he probably does get more than 10 000 hits a day.

Veerji ggod job keep up the good work.

Veerji No one can do u harm while Jack Bauer is alive.

Bhul Chuk Maaf

Vahagurooo ..

A point to be noted by a comment stated in the above post..

If you dont know the exact facts and details .. do not speak. Theres probably many minor and major things that we may not all know so ‘assuming’ things can lead to very powerful downside in many ways.

bhul chuk maph..

I just read anonymous’ post and man do i agree..The reality is most people are just khalee from the inside but from the outside act nirmal..

I think we should pay more attention to the 19th and 20th pauri in anand sahib.

the million dollar question………………….drum roll please

will there be tapobanis?

I got nothing against the Sanjhaa Smaggams that are going on or anything like that but what’s saddening is that some of the people who organize these events are straight up SHOOK! I said it, they SHOOK!

Son, they shook…
cause aint no such things as halfway crooks
Scared to death, scared to look
They shook!

Also, how do taksali’s make a scene when they walk in? cuz they big tall n do parkarma? n if you’re sitting their listenin to kirtan WHY are you staring the bibi in the face tryin to check if she has her eyebrows done or if shes wearing makeup? Son, Are you Shook? If ppl wanna go GUROOOOO GUROOOO who are you to stop em? Check yoself. Lastly, I gotta give respects to Shindasingh.com for starting such a wonderful debate.

aahahahaah………omg thats so true..most of the event organizers= shook…someone once told me the programs sometime act as an intermediate for kaaam….ie. girls and boys meet and ****..but kaam is internal so check yourself you shook asses..i mean do ardaas in front guru sahib and ask him to free us all of kaaam. kaaam is bad..kaam is badddd.god help us all

beef is when u need 2 gats to go to sleep
beef is when ur moms aint safe up iun the streeets
beef is when ICU, gauranteed to be in ICU

All i see is a bunch of immature ’singhs’ who have a good laugh wit their boys making fun of other singhs on the internet behind ‘gupt’ screen names..

i bet no one has the guts to actually post their true identities when it comes to these kinds of behaviours..

bhul chuk maph..

:S :S weirdd is the word that comes to my mind after reading all this :S :S

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,

although i do understand the points made in shinda’s original article…i have to also agree that there isn’t anything wrong with having a sanja samagam…

something to clear up…someone said that only 3 jathas are involved or that the dodra kids are organizing the samagam…that isn’t true…it’s sanja…meaning everyone…someone…the threee jathas talked about weren’t even talked about by the organizers themselves, but by shinda’s article where HE chose to only mention three jathas…

secondly…as far as i’m aware, having known some of the sevadaars involved…they aren’t all dodra sangat kids…in fact …most aren’t…

thirdly…if you don’t like the word sanja…then ignore that word…treat it as a samagam…attend if you want to …don’t attend if you don’t want to…sit home on your computers…or other extracurricular activities (sorry if that’s too big of a word for some of you here)

fourthly…here’s my view on having a sanja samagam and EKTA…
after reading the article originally i was in agreement with a lof ot points…that having one event where all come together and compromise on their maryadas doesn’t mean ekta…it doesn’t mean that everyone’s going to see each other as children of the guru…i think true EKTA is when i (someone who’s attended dodra sangat all 22 years of my existance) can go and sit in an akj rensabaaie with fellow singhs and truly enjoy my experince in guru ji’s hazoori…or when i can go to jot parkash and listen to a taksal vidhayartee do katha of suraj parkash granth and feel the inspiration that our guru-love filled history can provide…
true ekta is when we can all have the samagams that we regularly have…but don’t feel the need to go on our comps and talk bad about the akjers, the taksaalis, the dodras, the nanaksaris, the rara sahib valay, the missionaries…or anyone…just do our thing and love everyone…after all isn’t that the point of sikhi…someone who has attained waheguru in their heart will see waheguru’s jot in everyting and everyone…will they not??

so in essence…for TRUE ekta to TRULY exist…it’s for all of us to become TRUE sikhs…because for a true sikh…there IS ONLY ONE…the rest is duja bhao (duality) and that is where we get stuck in our maya day bharam and have these arguments, silly discussions, and see separation…

do i believe this sanja samagam is gonna bring EKTA??? i doubt it…
will the sanja samagam take us out of our comfort zones and meet other singhs and offer us an opportunity to understand one another a bit more? YES YES (granted we actually step up and take this opportunity)
will this sanja samagam offer all of (judging from the responses) badly needed sadh sangat??? YES YES YES YES YES YES

here’s a chance for all of us to sit in maharaj’s hazoori and do simran for solid two hours a day..once in the morning…once in the afternoon…do any of you do gurmat vichar??? do you know what and sikhi says about doing simran in sangat?? some of us need to get off our computers, turn off the gangsta raap and do some vichar…find out what is IMPORTANT what isn’t important…

and lastly…someone said that people will only show up or sit with their own jathas….whoever said that…have you gone to a YKD as of yet???
i highly encourage you all to check out the pictures on OSY and see members of different jathas sitting together and singing gurbani… if someone chooses to distinguish along those lines…that’s their loss…i hope i don’t do that and get to enjoy all the kirtan…

take care my veers…

it’s a great thing that all of you have an interest in sikhi and have enthusiasm…let’s not get side tracked…lets not be of small minds…lets not become the analyzers of every minute thing…for sikhi cannot be analyzed…love cannot be analyzed..god cannot be analyzed either…
lastly…
great gurmukhs of the past have always said…we take amrit not to become above society, but to become below…become the dust of the feet of this world…to serve humanity, to love humanity, in doing so love God, and love God…
yes…we have a rehit maryada with our do’s and don’ts….personally….i think we should add a kurehit…that being everyday we don’t see one another as manifestations of the One…we are kurehitis….

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

well if anything this thread is good publicity that THERE’S GONNA BE A SANJA SMAGAM ! hehehehehe…

I think we are all still waiting for a response to CINCINATTI’S QUESTION

WILL THERE BE TAPOBANIS???

Shinda Sion Jai Ho!!!

You started the most heated topic in a long time…

I just love reading these posts while at work. Its an amazing way to pass time.

But I got one question, If this is Sanjha, And we roll up with dholki and chumtay, you guys are telling me that you will let their be Dharna Keertan??? With the majority of people there thinking that dharna is kachee banee??????

No need for everyone to get mad here (besides bringing me some comical relief), the whole reason for this thread has become twisted. Now we are fighting about something to do with ekta.

Dharna Keertan Dee Jai hooooo
Shinda Singh Zindabad
shindasingh.com zindabad

Vote Mandeep Dhaliwal
V for Victory

so seriously will there be tapobanis

last time i checked this was a blog and not your ontariosikhyouth website
a blog is a place of opinion buy its author and whoever so wishes to put in there mother `!@#2 cents

“If you dont know the exact facts and details .. do not speak.” -jaspaul

bhai jaspaul singh ji please explain it to us otherwise as they say it on the streets- shut yo punk *** up

o and by the way dhan guru nanak u do in the beginning is beautiful but its a dharna

I did not say dharna is wrong. In fact i love it and would love to hear more..

shinda gave his two cents .. and thats all we are doing as well .. daas is giving his own two cents..

‘the street’ veerji whoever you are .. im not even the likes of the dust of your feet .. forgive my mistakes..

Come on Streets man,

These personal attacks got to stop, although you are not a fan of the smagams, which from the looks of it, no one on this website is (im indifferent, doesnt seem to be a problem), there is no reason to attack certain people.

The thread went from being funny to just nasty..This kind of remarks directed towards certain people belong on other websites that promote bashing of people (ie. Tapoban, SA, etc etc)..

this is supposed to be a opinion based website, not a website to air out some person who you have some personal vendetta against.

come on man….

If you so mad, vent it on Mandeep, he is gonna be used to it….

Vote Mandeep.

votemandeep.com

so ur saying ur not even the likes of the dust of my feet…

u think ur better then my dust…

wat my dust aint good enuff for you…

well listen to this pedro ur dodra i think you need to change ur stand on my feet

maybe u and me should comfront each other and have a little talk .. i dont have any problem with that.. since you already know who i am please do come upto me .. or otherwise we all know who reli is ’shook’ !?

Yeah.

“maybe u and me should comfront each other and have a little talk”

comfort or confront?

I think that if the saanjha smaagam has dharna in it, it would be much more succesful as a lot of the southern Punjabis (Malwayees) are use to that type of Keertan.

This thread was Shinda Singhs Point of View and people are like oh no thats wrong.

If Navdeep Bains thinks voting for *** marriages is right in his mind all the power to him and if Malhi thinks its wrong all the power to him. This is a blog.

Shinda Singh gave his view. So everyone should just do what they feel.

As for some of us posting our names well thats up to us and it is a free country.

How come the youth is organizing this event. Shouldn’t the elders be organizing something like this. If Kids organize this then only kids gonna show and all th egood kirtanees are like its a kids event.

I think we need to do a Saanjha Smaagam for all the jaat paats. There is soo much beef between em. All the Jatts think they the ****. They walk around like Sam Cassell or Mike Bibby after makin a big shot near the end of a game.

Why do these Jatts hate on all the Mistry’s and Papay. I have seen people put proud to be a thurkhan and so on. Come on is that something to be proud of. Ive seen Putt Jattan De on shirts that looks good. BUT putt Mistry Da, Come On now thats just asking for a fight.

Anyways lets look at things that are more important like Y can’t 2 Sikhs sit together. Why do we need to do Saanjha Smaagams to make Ekta in all Sikhs. We should have aman between all of us anyhow. This war is not about Jatt or Mistry or Dohdra and Taksal or AKJ or Nanaksari or W/E other Jathebandeean there are. We al need to look at ourselves and see whats wrong with us first and not others.

For those of you who are gonna post that why don’t I look at myself.

Shutup Just Shutup Shutup

Because I know I have alot of flaws in me and thats why I do look at myself everyday and try to change.

Hopefully by Guru sahibs Kirpa I will change.

WJKK WJKF,

I think some people are takin this post wayyyyyyyy outta porportion. Come On if some one is doing something jus let them do it. If you don’t wanna go don’t. This is Shinda’s blog and he posts what he thinks.

It’s just information to us as to whats going on. Let’s not make our own little comments. And as fo rpersonal stuf. PLEASE POST YOUR NAMES.

and i am sorry to say after reading some comments even people who did post their names. There are a lot of little keywords that are hints as to who YOU are pointing fingers at.

So lets just have a healthy discussion and stay away from all of this negativity.

WJKK WJKF

Please forgive me if I have offended anyone.

P.S. For all living in Springdale, Castlemore Gore Rd. area please come to 10 Peel Centre Drive tomorrow at 7 for an important meeting about the Radioactive Waste Incinerator that is being proposed to be placed a couple of buildings away from Jot Parkash Gurdwara sahib as well as many Residential houses.

We do not need radioactive waste in our backyard.

Let me quote here,

“Son, they shook…
cause aint no such things as halfway crooks
Scared to death, scared to look
They shook!”

Streets, are you shook?

Now to the important stuff,
I believe Harsimran Singh has brought forward a very good point. Will dharna be accepted at this saanjha smaagam? Jaspaul Singhs says he enjoys it but thas only person, what about the rest of the people in the Dodra sangat? What about the AKJs? Taksalis? Tapobans? And all the other jathay? Will they also accept dharna? If not, how can this smagam be sanja? Thus another problem arises from something many say is such a good thing. Is AKJ, Taksal, Dodra willing to let followers of “sants” do kirtan? Many believe dharna is kachi bani. so wats gonna go down? is there gonna be beef at the smagam? will this be discussed before hand? Plz Enlighten me on this issue as I believe Dharna are amazing.

I am not “Dodra”. Just to clarify .. i do kirtan guru kirpa naal with not only dodra sangat but also with AKJ so am i AKDODRA now ??

haaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, You took out the J in AKJ. So you are a part of AKJ and Dohdra but that leaves you out of th eloop from Taksal and Nanaksar and Dharna people.

I do not belive that you are panthik.

You should be ashamed that you only do keeertan at 2 of the many Jathey.

Shinda Singh you make my time at work pass so quick with this blog.

May guru sahib make your blog stay for Many Jugh’s.

Its not where you from that makes U hardcore
Its how you throw them thangs in the WAR

P.S. For all living in Springdale, Castlemore Gore Rd. area please come to 10 Peel Centre Drive tomorrow at 7 for an important meeting about the Radioactive Waste Incinerator that is being proposed to be placed a couple of buildings away from Jot Parkash Gurdwara sahib as well as many Residential houses.

We do not need radioactive waste in our backyard.

LOLLOLOL spoken like a true politician…..u should the radioactive waste in ur pants….
1 love!!

akj dodra dont mix. so akdodra wouldnt work. funny name though

Just for all the uneducated people out there like myself, who waste too much time on the net doing stupid **** and less time READING BANI,

“Dhan Guru Nanak” is NOT a Dharna, and is actually bani from Guru Granth Sahib ji yooooo written by Sri Guru Ram Das Ji….. You guys are insulting Bani :S

DMnu DMnu gurU nwnk jn kyrw ijqu imilAY cUky siB sog sMqwpy ]4]5]11]49]
dhha(n)n dhha(n)n guroo naanak jan kaeraa jith miliai chookae sabh sog sa(n)thaapae ||4||5||11||49||

“dhan dhan guru nanak” is a phrase straight out of Guru Sahib Ji’s Bani.. so lets all chilllllllllllllllll here

Also, i duno who jaspaul is but I think its stupidly retarted if peopl are talking such **** and attacking another gursikh for stating his own viewpoint, i didnt read all th posts but it doesnt seem like hes saying something soo super anti panthic tha everyone needs to jump on him like that (under anonymous names )

Whats the difference between this and any other youth keertan?
No REAL taksali (singhs from india who learned from taksal)or REAL akj mandem (harpreet singh dhula etc) are likely gona show, it will just be youth. So why not just a hold a youth keertan smagaam thing, becuz i doubt it will be any different.
But still big ups to the people who took effort organizing it.

This thread is now closed. Admin.

(hehe)

It will not only be youth, which I stated in my first post. It will be many elders as well. I can say that we have spoken to many adults who have said they will be there. You can only see for yourself if you come.

Another thing, some of the people on here need to check yourselves. Its because of some of the people on here that there is no ekta. Those of you who are ‘labelling’ people as ‘akj’ or ‘dodra’ or ‘taksali’, relax yourselves. Unless a singh/kaur comes out and says “I am a part of xyz jattha” you have no right to label somebody.

Yes I agree this is Shinda Singhs own personal view, but there’s a reason that blogs have a “comment” section. Some peoples views might be distorted somewhat, and the comments section (in this case) should be only to correct some mis-information. As well, people should be able to comment on a persons post, because this is a public website.

Those of you who like to distinguish between AKJ and Sadh Sangat and DDT and every other jattha, please don’t, you’re only hurting yourself and others areound you. I urge all of you to come out and support the samagam. As I said in my last post, if there are any things that need to be corrected, tell the organizers and things will be done to the best of their ability to make things right. Don’t sit on the computer n talk smack, get off ur butts and try to make a difference. This samagam is not restricted to anybody, us as SIKHS should make an effort to make things good, not sit here and try and make things worse.

Anywayz, some of us have SET opinions in their head, which won’t be changed by others.. so there’s no point in sittin on here tryin to defend the samagam. Everybody knows the samagam is a good thing, there are just those who do not want Ekta, so they will go to lengths to cause ruckus. The choice is alwayz yours, either support it or don’t, but have a good reason not to support it. Take the initiative to go and do seva as well, during samagamz there are alwayz plenty of things that need to be done.

Chardi Kalaa!!

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh!

lol, this blogs sikkkk, more rukus on this comment board than on tapoban

but yeah, someone answer the question………..
WILL THERE BE TAPOBANIS????

how u gonna say……

“Yes I agree this is Shinda Singhs own personal view, but there’s a reason that blogs have a “comment” section. Some peoples views might be distorted somewhat,”

maybe, just maybe, ur view is distorted and Shinda’s is correct

As a wise elder I believe that I will not be attending this smaagam, nor will my friends.

Vaheguru..

I never said Shinda Singh’s views are distorted, I’m just giving my opinion of why the ‘comment’ section is there on blogs, because some people might have a distorted opinion on something. In this case, Shinda Veerji was just giving his opinion on the topic at hand. And others replied as to why they agree or don’t agree, there’s nothing wrong with that. But when we get into personal attacks or attacks against jatha’s, then there’s obviously something wrong with that. I personally gave my view on why I don’t agree Shinda Veerji’s views, as well as some of the posts on the comment section.

If I made it sound as if Shinda Veerji’s view was ‘distorted’ then I apologize.

Chardi Kalaa.!!

Vaheguru Jee Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Jee Kee Fateh!

Plz people, Plz. Quiet. Calm Down.

Now answer these important questions,

1) Will Tapoban be attending? or better yet, Are they INVITED?
2) Will Dharna wala Kirtan be allowed?

“because some people might have a distorted opinion on something.”

Or maybe just a different one.

wut’s ekta? can someone please define? I gots a feelin’ like all y’all just like using the word but don’t even have the foggiest about what it means. …kinda like “shook”

akj and dodra don’t mix like two ..’s and one..

a million dollars that the tapobani’s don’t come within 5 steps of the smaagm- anyone?

Mannn this blog getting full of those sikhsangat type..u kno the type with all the happy faces and the “omgg that keertan was amazing, i was in excstasy” or “”omgg im soo lonely, cyber sangat help me!”

upon review I shouldnt have said that..ignore the last message by yo.

Ummmm, What are the odds. Ill take that bet.

Tapobaanis love to go where they are not wanted.

The odds that the keertan is gonna b on stage is 100-1 and the odds for it happening on the floor are 1-2.

haha

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki fateh

I dont know why theres so much nindiya going on here. Why are you guys hurting only yourselves ?

Jaspaul singh is doing great seva in the toronto area and hes no akj,dodra,taksali singh etx.. He attends all programs and promotes all programs. He does kirtan everywhere where he can. Guru jis mehar kirpa naal him and fellow sevadars do seva, so why disencourage them ?

Btw, first hand news, yes EVERYONE is invited to the sanjha samagam and NO its not only youth. A lot of top notch keertanies are invited and ARE attending from ooutside of canada. So when the news/poster is finally released maybe then everybody will understand and backoff the sevadars of this sanjha samagam.

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki fateh