Ghagga Debate Videos are out..
Writing by shinda on Monday, 16 of October , 2006
Following the rukas that happened at Mayfield, the debate videos I had earlier eluded to that took place are now online. You can check them out at: http://www.panthic.org/news/123/ARTICLE/2816/2006-…. Although the total debate was a little less then 3 hours long, it is worth checking out when you get time.
Category: Sikhi
Shinda why do you continue to post such controversial and topics that show sikhi in a lower way. Why can’t you stop? Are you so consumed that you will post almost anything just so that your name will be known by people around the country? Shinda, you’re a disgrace. You’re what’s wrong with sikhi today. It’s people like you that make us all look bad. Why don’t you do some proper sikhi vichaar. You have a bunch of idiots reading this and thinking it’s funny, when in reality all of you make sikhi look stupid. You have wanna be wrestlers and niggers posting majority of your comments. Then you have all these stupid taksalis, akjs, dodras posting trying to state why their jatha is the best. Why can’t all of you just do somethin for the good of the panth. But how can that happen when you a have taksali hosting this blog, Shinda, you’re a ******* disgrace.
missionaries just mad that their main man got shot down in a debate, the truth is slowly coming out…
disgrace…how would u do parchar? to be honest…after seeing these vids..i have learnt a lot of things…. you gotta know how to defend your beliefs.. and i think this is the best kind of parchar… btw.. I’ll pick shinda anyday over parcharaks that cant just helping stop swearing…
Fateh
hahahaha, sum1z gonna shoot shinda soon, if he survives itll make his blog…thatll be contraversy
disgrace.. get a damn ife… u wanna talk about people making sikhi look bad.. read ur own post.. jackass…. revealing truth to people who might potentially believe some of that missionaries **** is NOT disgraceful in fact… shinda is doing a fantastic job.. uniting true sikhs by exposing fake ones who function to divide us.. Good job Shinda!
Veer Kulbir Singh is awesome !!!
He totally cleans out Ghagga’s argements with Gurbani and logic.
Way to go Tapoban Singho !!
See what happens when Panthic groups work together.
United We stand divided we FALL…..
like you have mentioned Babbar Sian.. Panthic comes first and group later… Well done Singhs from Tapoban Singhs… Satgur ji took great sewa off ya..
Taksali Singhs— good job in exposing these self proclamined scholars
AJK- great sewa… I dont drink coffee no more , night before the exams.. download AKJ kirtan from one of teh rehansabiyees… you’ll wake up like an owl
Fateh
“Shinda why do you continue to post such controversial and topics that show sikhi in a lower way”
so sick of people writing like this.
this is the truth, it doesnt matter if we highlight it to the world. this is the state of sikhi today and until we realise just how bad its become, its only then that the true parchaar comes into the mainstream, when people wake up from their religious slumber
if something is wrong with the panth, a ‘Giani’ or a parchaarak/baba tell the whole damn world so something will be done about it. dont keep it quiet, we’re making sikhi weaker by doing this not stronger.
ley ke rehangay
I think you have done a great service to sikh nation as a whole!!! WE need to expose these kind of parchaarak/baba who are making their own sikh history. We should not accept quiteness or be afraid of them. We should expose their own mind made stories!!!
In the past, Sikhs always have remained silent and people from other religions had ample opportunity to construe sikh religion. Now its the time to resist these kind of baba’s and challenge their ugly mind made stories and thoughts.
Sikhism is only one of the religion that has no controversies regarding gurbani and their Guru’s. But these kind of people want to introduce wrong stories or wrong translation of gurbani in a very subtle way and then someone else will take their spot to add wrong info again in a very subtel way, so that big chunck of sikhism is distorted.
People!!! I urge all of you to EXPOSE THESE KIND OF BABA”S and challenge their writings. We should know what books or articles that person has written so that we could challenge those writing by doing critcal analysis!!!!
Finally, you are doing a GREAT JOB by putting these videos on the web!!!!
Lets not HIDE or be afraid!!!
hahahaha, sum1z gonna shoot shinda soon, if he survives itll make his blog…thatll be contraversy…Na its going to be announced that he’s dead and than for the next year the blog will keep on being updated with sick posts and there is going to be shinda sitings in Mexico.
I’m in defence of Shinda. He’s letting moorakhs like me to learn from what’s happening around us that we barely get to know all that is causing the rot in our beautiful Panth. Shinda is exposing the masands and fake holy men that are infesting our community with their manmat parchaar. On the other hand, it’s also one thing to expose something and quite another to counter it in the right way. How we take it from here, is up to those who choose to do something about all this manmat that few have the kamaai and courage to expose and educate our wayward masses. Guru kirap karan.
All of you follow Shinda like he’s your owner and all you are his dogs. If he says jump, you ask how high? If he tells you to go jump in a well, I’m pretty sure all of you will follow. You all have a herd mentality, no originality. You just follow this idiotic of a person Shinda says. Shinda’s stupidity rubs off on all of you and yet you continue to follow him. You don’t challenge anything he says and just keep sucking up to him as if he’s a famous and person and will remember you and your sorry selves years down the road. All of you dumb and stupid people need to learn how to think for yourselves instead of following people like Shinda. People like him will just use you for their own benefits and then spit you out when you are no longer needed. Shinda needs to get a life, just like the rest of you. Stop wasting your time on this stupid blog and grow up. Grow up and do something constructive with your lives, because let’s face it, Shinda certainly isn’t going to do anything with his life. Otherwise all of you are going to be following the old saying, Monkey see, Monkey do.
Disgrace how about you go do something with your life, rather then..sit there and bad mouth shinda..
Disgrace Ji,
How does your outburst reflect the values of Sikhi? You are swearing and bad mouthing everyone only because your views do not match theirs, mine included. I personally do not know Shinda, but believe me, I am learning what he has to share and what I do not agree with, I take it with a pinch of salt and let it be. Come on, Disgrace Ji, we’re all brothers and sisters here. Just how can we even imagine bad-mouthing each other when we are all Sikhs of the same Guru, Guru Granth Sahib Ji? How is your outburst helping you, if not anyone else? Come on, veer ji, where’s the Sikh in you that need to foster values of love, humility and tolerance even when half the world may be different from the way you think? Let’s cultivate the image of our Guru and weed out our self.
i think all of you are idiots, let alone shinda.
I think these debates are great and it actually shows that sikhs can have a meaningful discussion without knocking each others turbans off. Now why couldnt have this been done in the first place instead of starting the huge fisaco at the Mayfield gurdwara. I also think that Kulbir Singh made some good points. I also admire that Inder Ghagga was able to agree to change the parts of his book that are wrong. We are living in the 21st century and Sikhs must start to do things via dialoge and not just knocking off turbans. One request though, please put up the movie of the fight again. All the goraye at my work are asking about it and want to see it. This movie has just as much interest as the Paris Hilton video. Later
“malton” just showed how much he actually learns from this website. People like him can’t even write properly and yet try to show that they know something. Shinda should first teach kids like him how to write and then maybe start a blog.
maybe you should quit your jibba jabba and admit you lost your argument ![]()
http://www.thepanthicotpreka.blogspot.com
Missionaries or Athiests?
Some missionary views include the following (Inder Ghaggha is a prof of missionary college in india and these are his views.. and also the views of other missionaries ive spoken to):
* That there is no such thing as the power of Naam.
* Naam simran that involves reciting of Gurmantar (as instructed in the Panthic Sikh Rahit Maryada) is Pakhand [hypocritical] he refers to is ‘Gorakh Dhandha.’
* Guru Nanak Sahib Ji ate Halal meat under pressure, when he visited Mecca.
* Siri Guru Arjun Dev Ji fainted when he was tortured because he could not withstand the pain. In other words, he views all of the ten Guru Sahibs as ordinary humans beings. -
* He wrote very harshly against Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwalay and other respected Panthic personalities, often ridiculing them in a offensive manner.
What it seem to me is that what their mind cant comprehend or explain by science is rejected by them. Or they twist the story so that it makes sense to their mind (eg. Guru sahib eating meating to get to mecca because otherwise they wouldnt have fit in and reached there). Their doesn’t seem to be any faith in this stance, they just believe what they can comprehend, and everything else is ‘false’ or ‘wrong’. What is the difference with this and an athiest view? Where is the Sharda?
I have a question, if doing naam simran is pakhand, than how does one reach sachkhand? It can’t be just by obtaining knowledge like is preached by Missionaries, because Guru Sahib themselves says, all the knowledge in the world can’t save you, at the end its useless.
The way i see it. If missionaries were around when Guru Nanak Dev Ji was on this earth in their physical form. They would have called Guru Nanak’s teachings pakhand to. Why? because when the whole world was preaching that the world is flat, Guru Sahib said the World is round. Since humans couldn’t comprehend this concept at that time, they would have rejected it and said its fake or false.
When Guru Sahib said there are millions of planets and universes, science couldn’t explain that, people couldn’t comprehend it. So Missionaries would have rejected it, because they wouldnt have understood it.
This is the problem, people follow science, but science as a technology is light years behind Sikhi. Just like Sikhs knew the world is round before science did,the same way Sikhs know about the spiritual realm which science is light years away from even discovering.
Where’s the faith in Guru Sahibs teachings, in the spiritual realm.
That takes us back to the title of this post… Missionaries? or Athiests?
“All of you follow Shinda like he’s your owner and all you are his dogs. If he says jump, you ask how high? If he tells you to go jump in a well, I’m pretty sure all of you will follow. ”
wait wait … shinda do u want me to jump ina well??? **** i was off line holla nigga
woof woof
Disgrace you’re friggin hilarious. Watching you trying to insult people is like watching a ****** trying to have ***.
But go on son…do your best….I’m sure we’re all offended by you. You’re badaaasssss!!
lol…nice the rock
disgrace u on drugs brethren…Shinda is da man….as long as he gets u work up..he’s doing his thing…tek half lef half..
Disgrace
these controversial topics don’t show sikhi in a lower way. shinda is just tryin to tell people whts happening. whts wrong with sikhi these days is its fallng apart. sikhs dont follow their religon. they go after retards like ghagga who preach wrong **** about sikhi. the real thing is people can not leave the love of this world for god. they are obssed with money, clothes, meat, drugs etc.. in GGSJ it say this world is like a ocean and you have to swim across it meet with god. the whole point of the human life is to get salvation with god to repeat his name. ghagga really needs to read GGSJ. i think the taksalis are doing a good job holding protests against ghagga. he sholud go back to INDIA. why shouldn’t you stop a person whos making a fool out sikhi. when it comes to religon you should stand up for wht u think is wrong. and ghagga is wrong.



















