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as previously stated by many people on this blog, programs arent needed in ontario for ekta and stuff like that. As illustrated, once Singhs need to get together to stop people like Ghagga, all jathebandies come together, regardless of small personal beefs

i suppose its ok gurpreet sion, everytime bad stuff happens everyone unites. its a shame we need dushts and attacks on darbar sahib to show we are one panth though.

it smart to be realistic, all sikhs wil never agree on all issues, and there will always be small beefs, but aslong there is enough mutual respect that we can unite when needed, everything is fine. This is how it was in the times of Nawab Kapur Singh, this is how it is today.

When Sikhi is attacked, and Sikhs cant put aside personal beefs, then you’ll know we got a problem.

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Bhupinder, you missed the whole point; the dispute started after people read his book. Btw, dont read that nonsense, it is going to provoke Krodh. Fateh

dont read the non-sense in gurmat reyat maryada, khalsa jeeven, gurbani paat darshan, gurmukh parkash . BTW it will only provoke bhramanvaad inside of you

please elaborate how?

I have read the book by Inder singh Ghagga, only after reading it did i understand that a few words that Ghagga used on 2 or 3 pages are inappropriate. however, conceptually he is only criticizing the Bhramanvad that has crept into sikh society and at teh behest of Damdami taksal. i incourage you to read his book, as matter of fact you can even listen to it.

Int. akali, how did you have the audacity to compare Sikh rehyat Maryada with Gurbani Path Darshan. please refrain from doing so. Gurbani path darshan/darpan is nothing but bhramanvad where taksal finds its foundation.

Have you read Gurbani Path Darpan? I have a copy of it with me. Please enlighten we with the references from where you get brahmanvad stuff? Our foundation was set by Guru Gobind Singh ji, he wasnt a bahman… He said clearly that he wasnt a bahman but a soldier in Dasam Granth; sadly, you guys dont even wanna read that. Do an ardass to Satgur ji to remove all your duvidha….Tell me one thing, how many bahmans have Taksal created? I see none. I dont think Sant Jarnail Singh was a bahman was he? Ghagga’s sangat will only make you perverted my friend. He does not know a single thing about Gurbani grammar. He does not believe in Naam Simran, the basic foundation of Sikhism, read SidhGost from Guru Granth Sahib ji if you don’t want to read Dasam Granth. Btw, get Pt. Narayan Singh’s Translation of Dasam Granth from Sacha Sauda, you’ll feel the power Dasam bani…

FATEH

BHUPINDER SINGH AND INTERNATIONAL AKALI ARE BOTH TRYING TO DIVERT THE ATTENTION TO TAKSAL NOW AFTER THEY REALIZED THEY WERE WRONG WITH THE RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS AGAINST THE GURUS. GHAGGA SAYS TAKSAL AKJ AND OTHER PANTHIC ORGNIZATIONS HAVE DONE BHAMIN PARCHAR AND BELIEVE IN BHAMINVAAD…THAT TRUTH LAYS INFRONT OF YOU, AS THE AMOUNT OF GURMAT PARCHAR AKJ AND TAKSAL HAS DONE THESE MISSIONARIES HAVE NEVER DONE NOR HAVE THEY GIVEN ANY KURBANI’S /SACRIFICES FOR THE PANTH IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TAKSAL YOU SHOULD APPROACH BABA DHUMMA OR OTHER SENIOR TAKSALIS INSTEAD OF CAUSING HATE WITHIN THE SIKH COMMUNITY. MAYBE GHAGGA AND HIS CHAYLAY SHOULD FOCUS ON BIGGER ANTI SIKH ELEMENTS FIRST BEFORE THEY ATTACK AKJ OR TAKSAL. RSS , RADASWAMI, SARSAYVALAY ARE MORE DETRIMENTAL TO SIKHISM THEN TAKSAL AND AKJ. SO I HOPE THAT GHAGGA FOLLOWERS OPEN THEIR EYES AND TAKE SOME TIME TO READ BANI AND DO SOME SIMRAN BECAUSE THEY LACK A SPRITUAL PRESENCE.

FATEH

ghagga type sikh missionaries

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if ghagga had sat down with the tapoban people beforehand, like any other person does who wants to do vichaar then none of this would have even become an issue. its only because he went ahead and broadcasted his weak arguments AS THE TRUTH that he got people protesting and MADE PEOPLE use force. (theres no way a singhs gonna listen to nindia of a sant and do nothing) let this be a lesson to us all, if your parchaar is weak or you just want someone to talk to, go to http://www.tapoban.org and leave guruwara sahib stages to the gurmat based kathavaachaks

FAteh!
You guy sknow that Harpal Singh is Ghaggas REAL brother Right No joke Hios oiwn brother disses him oy..why we even discussing ghagga

Fateh,
you speak of weak arguments and anti Panthic ideology of Ghagga, would you care to elaborate on those points. it is easy to label, why don’t you substantiate your claim with a proof.
I am sure the first thing you want to write about is that Ghagga has put meat in Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s mouth. Well let me answer that for you, Ghagga has written that when Guru Nanak Ji went to Mecca, Guru Ji must have eaten with the muslims or else he would have invited death. Now we all know that we can stay hungry longer than few hours, Guru Ji was on a 1 1/2 to 2 year journey, we can be rested assured that he did not take along the provisions for 2 year. nor did he sit down to cook vegeterian food everyday. So he must have eaten what ever was being served at the places he stayed, now be that be vegeterian or Meat. you all live in Canada and i am sure you have some muslim friends and if you do you will knwo that they even put meat in SAAG.
Now lets go to Gurbani, “Maas mass kar murak chagda”, Guru Ji in his own words say that those who fight over meat are MURAK. Guru Ji says to jaini’s (amother faith in india, which does not even believe in killing insects) that you say you do not kill animals, if you want to do so with complete honesty then you must stop drinking water because it also contains micro-organisms (right out of gurbani,). Even mother’s milk has meat, people you use sugar in your homes right, bone powder is used to clarify sugar and give it white color. i have written enough about meat. Gurbani is not about putting limitations on people, it is about letting the mind find unison with God, and you can not do so when your in a state of denial, limitation.
Lastly, Sikh Rehyat Maryada, says that it is ok to eat meat as long as it is not Halal. so what the fuss about

Naps, what difference does it make if Harpal singh is Inder singh Ghagga’s brother, what matters is what they believe in, what ideology they propogate. harpal Singh is an ardent believer of Dasam Granth and supporter of taksal. Even Guru Nanak Dev ji’s son Sri Chand and Lakhi chand did not accept his ideology. by the way if you all think that Dasam Granth is pawan bani why don’t you ask your entire family to sit together, wives and daughter and do the path from Dasam Granth especially the section called charitropakhyan. i can’t even force myself to write what is written thier. i hope you will be inquisitive enough to go and read.
lastly a logical mind will ask, since Guru Gobind singh was the compiler of Guru Granth sahib, why did he not include his bani also. what was his motive behind compiling a different granth, did he want to create confusion in the sikh panth. no not at all.
i ask you to find out for yourself and not follow blindly. isn’t that what has made western society what it is today and why we are here.
may waheguru give you peace
and yes
just a side thought all the taksalis’ and AKJ people who supposedly do more simran than anyone else are also the least peaceful…

There is too much noise about something insignificant. The points raised by Ghagga may be offensive but they are not worth wasting so much time. The Bahmans are having a good laugh at the Sikhs for fighting against themselves, ignoring the real enemy.

True said Beant Sian..

Ghagga is a communist>that is what his brother said.Let comrades follow him.He has no business to talk or write on sikhism as they are atheists.

———-”I am sure the first thing you want to write about is that Ghagga has put meat in Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s mouth. Well let me answer that for you, Ghagga has written that when Guru Nanak Ji went to Mecca, Guru Ji must have eaten with the muslims or else he would have invited death. Now we all know that we can stay hungry longer than few hours, Guru Ji was on a 1 1/2 to 2 year journey, we can be rested assured that he did not take along the provisions for 2 year. nor did he sit down to cook vegeterian food everyday. So he must have eaten what ever was being served at the places he stayed, now be that be vegeterian or Meat. you all live in Canada and i am sure you have some muslim friends and if you do you will knwo that they even put meat in SAAG.”———

THAT’S A PRETTY BIG ASSUMPTION.

———–”Now lets go to Gurbani, “Maas mass kar murak chagda”, Guru Ji in his own words say that those who fight over meat are MURAK. Guru Ji says to jaini’s (amother faith in india, which does not even believe in killing insects) that you say you do not kill animals, if you want to do so with complete honesty then you must stop drinking water because it also contains micro-organisms (right out of gurbani,). Even mother’s milk has meat, people you use sugar in your homes right, bone powder is used to clarify sugar and give it white color. i have written enough about meat. GURBANI IS NOT ABOUT PUTTING LIMITATIONS on people, it is about letting the mind find unison with God, and you can not do so when your in a state of denial, limitation.
Lastly, Sikh Rehyat Maryada, says that it is ok to eat meat AS LONG AS IT IS NOT HALAL. so what the fuss about”————

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO PUT LIMITATIONS ON YOURSELF. HYPOCRITE.

——–just a side thought all the taksalis’ and AKJ people who supposedly do more simran than anyone else are also the least peaceful…”——-

YAH, YOU’RE RIGHT. WHEN IT COMES TIME TO GIVE LIVES, THEY DON’T HIDE IN THEIR BASEMENTS. I ASSUME THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER EVIDENCE YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO MAKE ANY OTHER CLAIM.

———–”i ask you to find out for yourself and not follow blindly. isn’t that what has made western society what it is today and why we are here.”———-

HA! WESTERN SOCIETY IS SOO FAR AWAY FROM BASIC RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES (BASED OFF ANY RELIGION YOU CHOOSE TO LOOK AT), IT’S NOT EVEN FUNNY. ‘FUNDAMENTALIST’ CHRISTIANS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, MUSLIMS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT YOU’RE TOO BLIND TO SEE THAT THE WAYS OF THE WEST ARE DRIFTING AWAY FROM BASIC SIKH PRINCIPLES ALSO. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT “FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF AND NOT FOLLOW BLINDLY”, YOU SLOWLY, BUT SURELY GET INTO THE MANMAT STAGES. LOOK AT THE JEEVAN OF SANTS AND WHAT THEY HAVE SAID, AND FOLLOW THAT.

——-”Naps, what difference does it make if Harpal singh is Inder singh Ghagga’s brother, what matters is what they believe in, what ideology they propogate. harpal Singh is an ardent believer of Dasam Granth and supporter of taksal. Even Guru Nanak Dev ji’s son Sri Chand and Lakhi chand did not accept his ideology.”—-

ONE HELL OF A COMPARISON. CONGRATULATIONS. TOO BAD THE ARGUMENT WORKS BOTH WAYS. JUST SWITCH “HARPAL SINGH” AND “INDER SINGH GHAGGA” AND SEE WHAT YOU GET.

—-by the way if you all think that Dasam Granth is pawan bani why don’t you ask your entire family to sit together, wives and daughter and do the path from Dasam Granth especially the section called charitropakhyan. i can’t even force myself to write what is written thier. i hope you will be inquisitive enough to go and read.”—–

JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE REASON SOMETHING IS/WAS WRITTEN OR EXISTS, DOES NOT MEANT IT IS FALSE OR HAS NO MERIT. I DARE YOU TO PROVE TO ME THAT GOD EXISTS. SHOW ME GOD. I BET YOU CAN’T DO IT. DOES NOT MEAN GOD DOESN’T EXIST OR IS A FALSE ENTITY.

“lastly a logical mind will ask, since Guru Gobind singh was the compiler of Guru Granth sahib, why did he not include his bani also. what was his motive behind compiling a different granth, did he want to create confusion in the sikh panth. no not at all.”

ASK YOUR ‘LOGICAL’ MIND WHY GURU GOBIND SINGH JEE DID NOT INCLUDE HIS NAME IN ARDAS WHERE YOU READ FROM ‘PRITHAM BHAGAUTEEE SIMAR KAI…’ YOU KNOW THE PART THAT COMES FROM CHANDI DEE VAAR, HENCE DASAM GRANTH. GURU SAHIB WAS JUST FILLED WITH THAT MUCH NIMARTA. PLUS GURU SAHIB DID NOT SAY DASAM BANI WAS GURU, SO YOUR POINT IS MOOT ABOUT ANY MOTIVE OR CONFUSION.

——”you speak of weak arguments and anti Panthic ideology of Ghagga, would you care to elaborate on those points. it is easy to label, why don’t you substantiate your claim with a proof.”——

LADIES FIRST. WHY DON’T YOU SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS OF TAKSAL FOLLOWING BAHMANVAAD WITH PROOF.

THANK YOU,
YOURS TRULY

ok im not agreeing with your whole meat philosophy, but lets say it is true, you yourself said that in the sikh rehat maryada that halal is bad….its a friggin kurehit soo u think the muslims of mecca ate non halal meat, pretty much ur making guru nanak dev ji a kurehiti…..also noo i highly doubt he took along the provisions for 2 yr journey, but plz even today pakistan india afghanistan has agriculture there, they eat roti subji style food tooo, all the way to the middle east, its not hard to find food without meat, infact its no big deal at all

its funny that people argue about wat guru nanak dev jee did, or wat ‘he must have done’ as if they think they can explain guru nanak dev jee. Guru Sahib, being sargun saroop of akaal purakh could do as they wished, if Baba Harnaam didn’t eat for 40 days while doing his chalisa, do you think guru nanak dev jee had to eat everyday? Yogi’s and rishis can become ‘paon aharee’, do you not think guru nanak dev jee could live off no food?

Guru Sahib is ‘kot brahmand ko thakur suamee, sarb jeeaa kaa daataa rae’, who are any of us to say guru sahib must have done this, or done that?

I think some people need to start reading raamkalee kee vaar or bhattan dae swayae more often so they can start understanding just how un-understandable guru sahib really is.

i have a book of reports from the mughal empire discussing from Guru Nank Dev ji all the way to 6th Patshaah i believe..

in it they say that Guru Nanak Dev ji was a pavan aahari (’eats’ air–ie. doesn’t require food). IF the mughals even wrote in their reports that Guru Nanak Dev ji had these powers, which are historical documents, why is Guggha saying out of fear of death Guru Ji would have eaten hallal meat. he is a bullshitter, thats why.

sathigur kee mehimaa SATHIGUR jaanai ||
jo kishh karae so aapan bhaanai ||

why did sikhi have soo many jathas or taksals shouldnt it have only one true taksal. even though people can not cooperate with one another they should learn how too cuz sikhi is all about eekta. if you wanna eat meat go rite ahead. u shouldn’t fight over it. but if u have enough friuts vegetables too eat than i think u shoulnt eat meat cuz ur killing life. but we all do kill life. u can not survive without water which has microorganisms in it. and nor can you survive without air which also has micro organiosms in it. i think the reason it says in rehit maryada to not eat hahal meat is cuz in the olden days there was only hahal at the times of the gurus. u can survive without meat. sihism is one of the younest religons and its history is getting changed. thats sad. all our doubts will be cleared by reading sikh history and guru granth sahib and bani. this world is ocean every thing except the name of god is fake. so we should eat less talk less and remeber god more. but some of us do the opposite. if we continue to do this ur basic priciples of sikhi will change. we have alot of history behind sikhi. we are lucky our religon has not be converted cuz if you see that the guyanese people are muslim, hindu and christain. they have been converted from their roots. we still have our sikhi roots. people like ghagga try to chnge sikhi either its to hard for him to follow or he doesnt have love for god. we should keep our roots alive.

let me point you to something

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=21944

there are 3-4 points which the whole issue is over…

now can we all get to the issue of taksal make a thread… and lets talk about the points or we will use this thread..

every point we will examine

on sikhsangat not here no point in doing it here … biased peoples

international akaali…..were u one of the people that were named on the sandesh given by akaal takhat??????

nope sorry to dissapoint you

oh dun worry ..we aint disappointed man… we are glad that you are still wid us.. fateh

u gyz r forgettin da hole situation and takin bout ur self. Pay attention wil u

I have some questions for supporters of missionaries or atheists
namely Int akali and Bhupinder

1) How a non-matriculate serving as a driver in Punjab state electricity board and jailed for stealing ,became professor?Is Inder Ghagga a professor?Where did he get that title.

2)Inder Ghagga says that naam simran is gorakh dhandha.Thus he ridicules basic sikh philosophy repeated in SGGS ji very clearly.
Naam simran is emphasised elaborately in Sikh Rehat Maryada

Are not these guys contradicting themselves.On one hand they say they abide SRM and on the other hand they defend Inder Ghagga who does not believe in naam simran?What a double role for Bhupinder singh and party?

3) Inder Ghagga is a known comrade and most probably so is kala afghana.It is old wine in new bottles.In other words old commies have come in the garb of sikh missionaries.The sooner they are weeded out of sikhism the better for us.