I am in the process of making KHALISTAN ZINDABAD t-shirts for the nigar kirtan. if you’re interested let me know.

They want a war? They want a war?! We’ll give them a ******* WAR!

Why promote PARMAR in the first place? That was a stupid idea. Especially if you don’t know about some of the acts he has committed.

And what are you going to achieve by making t-shirts that say Khalistan Zindabad. If you want it great, but dont think you are doing a righteous act or doing shaheed singhs justice by wearing a t-shirt.

There is a way to organize a movement, and a way to be succesful, it just requires some thought.

There is a saying they have in Pakistan. When a hurricane is coming the hindu sees it first and moves out of the way. when a muslim sees the hurricane as it hits him and takes cover, a punjabi sees the hurricane as it is fading into the distance and already done its damage.

Why do you think the movement in the 80’s and 90’s has gone into the history books as the shortest ever armed movement, and the fastest to be quashed ???

If you want Khalsa Raj, be a Khalsa and Raj will come.. until than your always gonna snitch on your friends when the going gets tough, and your gonna turn on each other… dont believe me? look back to operation Black Thunder it was the first time ever ‘Singhs’ surrendered with their hands above their head and admitted their fault…. the first time ever that Singhs have been embarassed like that…thats not the history we should be making, its an embarassment.

Khalistan is not a choice, it is a must, Sarbat Khalsa has said that much already. But there is a way to go about it, a way to win, and a way to lose. Make sure you choose the correct path.

Sikhs and the Air India bombing are still in the media spotlight, because the Air India Trial was Canada’s version of the O.J. Trail. In the public those Sikhs were already guilty and the trial was just a formality.
The sad thing is the reporters like Kim Bolan and Terry Milewski have finally realized that they have no talent for actual journalism so they try desperately to paint Sikhs in a bad light whenever they can just so they can get noticed. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an article written by Bolan that wasn’t in some way related to Sikhs and how she believes we’re the Al Queda of Canada or something

This is a shame, theyre always saying something regarding the shaheeds at the Surrey nagar kirtan. I think the problem comes in when there’s a lack of knowledge and when people of the same ethnic/religious background say those things, the media takes it as a legitimate threat. That is especially true when it’s coming from someone already involved in the political arena (ie: Dave Hayer a supposed sikh).

ppl need to think before putting up pictures of Parmar. Whether you love the guy or hate the guy, its a stupid move to put his pictures up. Your just asking to be trashed by the media.

Now before someone tells me to get some guts and stop caring about the media, I think these new-age revolutionaries should go and learn about saam, daam, danD and bhed and how guru gobind singh jee tells us to learn them for our political needs.

I want a shirt.. and Random Taskali.. although i dont know who you are… Im soo down… worst mass murderers in Canadian History were the Europeans Invaders…

How about we invite the first nations to take part with COSS HAHAH

its bout solidarity amongst all oppressed peoples

you wanna do shaheeds like Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babbar, etc. look at how they lived their lives, kina naam jaapaya si, kina bani paaraya si, kina seva keetha si and no matter how hard it is they would want to see there brothers and sisters, sons and daughters of Guru Gobind Singh Jee to join them in sachkhand, get darshan of Vaheguroo, and defeat maya which many of us are showing right now including me when i saw that video

stand for injustice and oppression in a peaceful manner, if it fails resort to weapons but provoking them doesn’t help the situation

sorry just noticed a little mistake

*you wanna do shaheeds like Bhai Sukhdev Singh Babbar, etc. justice, look at how they lived their lives*

This is some piece of journalism by the cbc. how many times have we seen the sikh community been shown in a negative light in the main stream media… (or just the cbc)… why dont they ever see all the seva that we do for the community(e.g., food drives, blood donars, money for a hospital(new brampton one)) …

OOh yeah i forgot good news doesnt get shown in the media.. why lets face it ppl dont want to see it. THey want to see who got killed b.c we all know that stuff brings in the high ratings.

And showing politications that are INDIAN doesnt mean they are SIKHS… Its time that we get out and educate the ppl about who we are and where u come from… and stand up against oppression in a peaceful manner

I think we need to ban B.C. premier Gorden Campbell from being at the Nagar Kirtan.How does this guy always end up recieving a Saropa and being honoured by Gurdwara Sahibs??.He is a convicted criminal,who was caught drunk driving in Hawaii.

Should we as Sikhs be honouring someone who’s acts go against a very fundamental principal in Sikhi??

These politicians are so corrupt,we do why feel we need to kiss up to them to have our achievments in Canada recognized??

Instead we should be open and honest and tell these morally corrupt people that we are against drinking,drugs,lying,cheating,
backstabbing.This is how politics are played,and the way they are played goes against what Guru Sahib has taught us.

It’s an outrage that they keep saying ‘rcmp says the babbar khalsa is to blame for air india’ , you stupid cbc dummies, are you a tabloid or an egalitarian news company? Where do you idiot cbc script writers get your information from? Obviously you’re pulling it out of your asses. So many people believe that the air india bombing was a work of the indian government themselves, look at how the evidence was destroyed. Indian government down down down!

One or two weeks ago at either stockton, smethwick, or wolverhapton basakhi mela (dont know which one), 5 dudes showed up wearing PUNJAB POLICE uniforms, just to piss the Singhs off and start some drama related to Gurdwara commitees (they didn’t want the Singhs to win so wanted the Singhs to look bad). The Singhs, obviously, kicked the **** out of the punk *** bit chs that would dare show up to a Nagar Keertan wearin Indian police uniforms !! SO why don’t the international news channels ***** about how outrageous it is that people dressed up as terrorits (indian and punjab police) and paraded around at a religious event?
Those are the real terrorists.

The Canadian media always seems to make it look like monas are moderate and those who keep the roop are terrorists or extremists. But it is stupid to get all macho for a nagar kirtan and parade around with symbols involving machine guns. What would the rest of society, including us, think if a group of Muslims had a parade decorating their floats and clothes with machine guns?
A true Sikh is moderate. It seems that the only Sikhs getting attention in Canada are apostates and fanatics.

Whoa . A true Sikh is actually a fanatic because he or she is fanatically obbsessed with God and the pursuit for justice and truth.

If people are going to call that bad, let them. We should aim to be fanatics. Ignorant people just have this stereotype of what fanatic means. Get with the program, people!

OMG>. CBC showed it again tonight….. Can someone pass this msg to RCMP and Air India bombing victims my message:

You did find what you were looking because you werent looking at the right place

OMG>. CBC showed it again tonight….. Can someone pass this msg to RCMP and Air India bombing victims my message?:

You did *NOT* find what you were looking because you weren’t looking at the right place

Prabhu Singh
Made Thursday, 19 of April , 2007 at 1:15 pm
“The Canadian media always seems to make it look like monas are moderate and those who keep the roop are terrorists or extremists. But it is stupid to get all macho for a nagar kirtan and parade around with symbols involving machine guns. What would the rest of society, including us, think if a group of Muslims had a parade decorating their floats and clothes with machine guns?
A true Sikh is moderate. It seems that the only Sikhs getting attention in Canada are apostates and fanatics.”

In Response.

Problems concerning the Punjab are synonymous with the condition of the Diaspora; to simply negate the issues and reduce them to an imaginary construct is to inflict violence upon the Diaspora exclusively and uninhibitedly. The Diaspora which caries the spirit of Guru Gobind Singh Jee and Siri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is defined as one who has taken Amrit – and committed to the uniform or physical appearance which defines one as a Sikh. This working definition is vital – as one who does not adorn such a uniform or appearance carries a different narrative and consequently does experience the struggle which is documented extensively for Sikhs in India. Therefore the Diaspora’s narrative originates within those who are the persecuted and who suffer daily in the psychological enigma of abuse that wishes to deconstruct their beliefs in order to retranslate them into assimilation and sameness i.e. clean shaven, moderate, and bereft of difference. In our working definition we must take into account that a Diaspora is one which originates in some origin (Punjab) and is consequently displaced or moved (Sikhs moving to the West). In the case of Sikhs many have fled India due to the common theme of persecution and lack of religious freedoms which occur on the systemic level. The Diaspora’s condition needs to be addressed by the Diaspora, and the infliction of imperial attitudes of disregard and neglect by those who simply do not grasp or have compassion towards the Diaspora’s condition only contribute to the colonization and the modes of retranslation which are inflicted on the Diaspora where their struggle originates. Sikh converts of the West are a contemporary phenomena which originated in the 1970’s [in 1969 a yoga teacher’s student ties a turban], particularly white Sikhs who carry with them a different set of experiences due to their particular condition. It is difficult to incorporate their point of view and apply it to the struggles of the Diaspora – as the issues which are inflicted upon Sikhs in India have an origin in the late 1940’s when partition began the process of redefining identity for Sikhs.

- Kamalpreet Kaur

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/milewski-parade070419.mov

The Siri Guru Granth Sahib mentions that Sikhs may become intoxicated in the naam, the name of God. Nowhere does it say Sikhs should be fanatic. What I personally mean by fanatic are people who stick to their narrow view of things and don’t allow or tolerate other people’s views. That’s the most anti-Sikh thing I can think of (intolerance and lack of compassion).
Kamalpreet Kaur Ji,
I am not a western convert and I don’t understand the condition of the diaspora any less than any other Sikh born and raised in the west. Are you trying to tell me that the kids advocating Khalistan, that weren’t even born before 1984 know more than I do about the condition of the diaspora simply because they are Punjabi?
I’ve been to Punjab and I’ve met with many Sikhs of the diaspora around the world. The Sikh diaspora now includes more than just the Punjabi diaspora, so I would argue that I’m probably more familiar with the condition of the diaspora than those Sikhs who only understand problems faced by Sikhs in Punjab.
Believe me there are a lot of lies and a lot of propaganda. I’ve met with people from various Khalistani movements and I’ve met with people of different ’spiritual’ movements/jethas within the sikh diaspora. Without malice in my heart I can tell you that a lot of the “leaders” I’ve met with are driven by ego, anger, attachment, lust, and greed. The five thieves are there to rob all of us from a spiritual path, but it is clear when people’s life mission and actions originate in these feelings.
For example, one person that I met with, who lives in the US on political assylum, claimed to be very active and involved with one of the main ‘Sikh separatist movements.’ This man felt it his duty to go around policing the Sikhs of the world, and he mentioned how the organization he’s involved in (you all know the one - I won’t mention it here) kills people if they do something “against the panth.” Who made this man or his organization the police of the panth? This man can not create life by himself so where does he get the right to take lives by himself? Guru Nanak never cut somebody’s head off for going against the panth.
Anyway this argument is pointless. I should know by now not to discuss issues with people who know nothing of my community and yet have all the answers. Meet a few “converts” before making opinions and then realize that a whole community cannot be impugned on the actions of a few - i.e. generalizing Western Sikhs is unfair and ignorant. And please understand that I’m neither a convert nor ignorant of the problems facing Sikhs in Punjab or the world.

Dave Hayer needs to learn how to speak ENGLISH !!!

Its about time, people shouldnt contoversial figures as matyrs, and that does not mean slagg them off either just avoid using contoversial figures because lack of clarity. I think we can all somewhat agree sant jarnail singh khalsa bhindranwale was a true sikh leader of sikh panth during the freedom movement, lets just focus on his clean jevani and his ideaology of khalistan during rallies and nagar kirtan. Dont let media to exploit us.

PLEASE PLEASE ONE BENTI TO YOUTHS WHO ORGANIZING FLOATS IN TORONTO NAGAR KIRTANS- IF YOU WISH TO POST PICTURES OF SHAHEEDS, DO PROVIDE SOME EXPLANATION/PAMPHALETS ON THEIR JEEVANI AND BE UP FRONT TO TALK TO THE MEDIA. WHATEVER HAPPENED IN SURREY, MEDIA WILL BE WACTHING SIKH PARADES LIKE HAWKS, BE BRAVE AND APPROACH THE MEDIA- TELL THEM ABOUT OUR SHAHEEDS AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL WE CONDONE VIOLENCE AND TELL THEM ABOUT HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES IN INDIA, PROVIDE SOME CONCENTRATE REPORT ABOUT IT FROM AMMENSTY INTERNATIONAL.

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check the wakeup call track from “panj”

wow. well put and some good points. good to see that not everybody is worried about being politically correct. However, I think the assertions made about 3H0 can be generalized to most other Sikh groups as well.

Kamalpreet Kaur Ji,
I’m sorry but you have NO idea what you’re talking about. First of all I’ve never made any claims of allegience to 3HO, and yet everytime I discuss something people bring it up. 3HO is an organization about yoga, it’s not a Sikh organization. You’re generalizing of all people associated with 3HO is just idiotic. I wouldn’t generally use such strong words, but I’m really sick of the same stupid remarks. You just have no idea.
You talk about people putting their lives on the line, but what have you done? You group me with 3HO and then say we all have a nice, safe, and hedonistic lifestyle. That’s one of the most insulting and IGNORANT things I’ve ever read. My life’s been on the line more times than I can count. Nothing in my life has ever been easy, and I’ve had to fight for survival my whole life. People who actually know me and know my condition know this to be true.
Sometimes I think about these ‘internet warriors’ and I laugh at the thought of them in their suburban homes on their keyboards. I think about how they would piss their pants if they had to live in my neighborhood by themselves. Believe me, I know conflict. I have drugees, murderers, rapists, and thieves walking and driving by my house everyday. I’m a white guy in full bana living by myself. I was robbed once when I first came to the neighborhood, they stole my electronics, and didn’t break one single thing inside my house. Because they needed the money for drugs, they had nothing against me. People come to me high and loaded asking for money. I don’t give them any money, and they don’t assault me. It’s called diplomacy. Also it’s called courage in the face of death. The nearby noises in the middle of the night are probably enough to scare most of these wannabe Khalistanis. By God’s grace I will never shoot my gun (except for practice), because I know what the consequences are. I’m not stating this to be macho, I’m just telling the truth. None of this goes on my blog, because I’d rather focus on what’s good in my life, and because most of my experiences where my life was on the line was when I was a kid trying to grow up. Don’t assume my life is easy because I put pretty pictures on my blog. I don’t celebrate violence, because I know what the real thing is like, and there’s nothing glorious about it.
People are always writing about 3HO or the Siri Singh Sahib on the internet, like they know something. You don’t have one iota of understanding. How can you sit there in France talking about Khalistan, the Sikh diaspora, or 3HO, you’re not near anybody. Maybe you know one person associated with 3HO, that’s not enough to know everybody. You think people who are just learning about Sikh Dharma and are on a path to better understand God, are going to suddenly divert their 100% attention to one of the many genocides going on in the world?
I was born and raised a Sikh and I’ve met hundreds of people who have been devastated by 1984. I care about human rights in Punjab and world wide. I live in a place where people are starving to death (in the US!) and I’m trying to do something about it. Any chance I get to explain the situation of Punjab to people I do. However most people aren’t in the right place to hear that kind of thing all the time. People have their own problems.
Anyway, I probably shouldn’t have wasted my time replying to somebody so ignorant.

well put Prabhu Singh

fateh

C’MON GUYS, all we need to do is…

- Recognize Hukam: all internal affairs would resolve themselves
- Japo Satnaam: all external affairs would resolve themselves
[Naam will give you direction (marag), initiative (uddam), knowledge to differentiate (gyan), solidarity (Ekta), Soul Strength (aatam bal)]

Bani is the only plant to which ALL qualities fruit.

You tired of this twisted world? You really want to change the world! Only way to do it by being an example, Change yourself. How did Guru sahib brought about change? They modeled what they preached and showed that even when maya is all around…IT CAN BE DONE.

SO HOW DO WE CHANGE OURSELVES?
Listen to GYANI THAKUR SINGH’s and SANT GURBACHAN SINGH’s KATHAA on gurmatveechar.com.
Call me a paapi, call me a neech, call me a fool….if it doesn’t change your life. Let me remind you that it is a commitment and making sure any time found ia allocated to listening Katha.

SO U FIND IT TOO HARD TO CHANGE YOURSELF?
dhiluhu muhubath jinnu saeee sachiaa
Those whose love for guru sahib and his creation is deep and true, only those are the true gursikhs.

jinu man hor mukh hor se kaantae kachiaa
Those who have one thing in their heart, and something else on their mouth, are judged to be false.

Do an ardaas for kirupa and he can turn the false ones into the true ones.

ps: Gursikhs don’t point fingers at other gursikhs, b/c indirectly we end up pointing it at our GURU. It’s not our job to find faults in Gursikhs because for a true gursikh guru sahib said it himself:
apunae jun kaa purudhaa taakai
He covers the faults of His servant(true servants).

pss: Please forgive me….I don’t know anything.

aaakaal he aaakaaal

I was a little upset when I wrote my response. I just read the same false propaganda way too often. This is why I invite people to come and stay with me, so they can learn what we’re really like.
I appreciate the support. Also the last anonymous’ comments are much more enlightening than my last comments.
I will surely remember and remind people of the same: “Gursikhs don’t point fingers at other gursikhs, b/c indirectly we end up pointing it at our GURU.”
Guru Nanak really said it simply when he said “man jeetay jag jeet.” We really have to do the work on ourselves before judging others.

Wow a lot of sentiments about the negative light that the Sikhs are being shown.
My question is simple, if Palmar was a prime suspect for the Air India trials, WHY was he killed and tortured under the custody of the police?!!! Obviously, the Indian government is hiding SOMETHING, and with their list of human rights violations, I can only wander what…

I understand Kamalpreet Kaurs sentiments. 3HO has a political agenda and the “Sikh Dharma of the Western Hemisphere” organization and its self-appointed ministers operate in their own corporate self-interest, not in the interest of the Panth.

Ballu’s another person making statements without any experience or first hand knowledge. Why do people keep doing this? Come here and stay with me if you want to learn first hand how things are.

Prabhu Singh, you should be happy brother.. these guys are gonna make you a mahapurakh by doing your nindeya

you guys should show pictures the shaheeds who were RAPED, MURDERED, and TORTURED. Why should we hide who we are and our history because some few people say this is a ‘happy’ day. Sikhs greet death, and theres blood on our hands from the persectution of the past. Lets show them what the indian govt REALLY does to us, not just the portraits of the shaheeds. lets show how they put irons on our skin and stabbed us with electric rods…lets show them the pictures of mobs killing us and scalping our heads…

who ever isnt a punk will allow this, punk house n*** sikhs will be like ‘whats your guys problem, theres no problem anymore…’

operation black thunder involved “singhs” planted by the indian gov to give them a quick win for good PR. they weren’t real Singhs, they were planted. You need to know your history better.

Prabhu ji, I hope you know I don’t mean any disrespect.