Straight Up….
Writing by shinda on Friday, 10 of August , 2007
Prof. Uday Singh, has over the years earned himself a reputation of being straight with it. Whether he agrees or disagree’s with you he very seldom leaves it to interpretation as to what he means and leaves no doubts about where he stands. Whether he’s writing in favour of certain kakaars over others or against gurdwara committee’s he doesn’t seem to care for who he offends or airs out, but says what he feels needs to be said; whatever it is that he believes to be the truth. By all means this is a noble and even respectable trait in any person, even if what they say may be hard to swallow. since not everyone will always agree with what he’s saying, but the fact that he’s often the only one saying it the way it is needs to be said still needs to be respected.
It’s for that reason that Kim Bolan’s latest article where she interviews Prof. Uday Singh leaves me both smirking at the fact that he said things the way many conceptualize and feel, yet have me shaking my head thinking, “damn he so shouldn’t have said that”, knowing full well how easily it can be misinterpreted by the general public.
Then again, it is refreshing since I was getting tired of all the politically correct rhetoric that has started to appear all over the place. [You know, those interviews and quotes from Sikhs who continuously try to convince the media and the public that the Kirpan is nothing more then a symbol, that the Sikhs are far from being a martial race and try to compromise the faith at every turn.]
Chullo, Gurparsad, it’s all good, enjoy the article…
No room in his heart for Hindus
Uday Singh, retired professor, is uncompromising in backing the battle for an independent Sikh homeland. He celebrates as ‘our Nelson Mandela’ a man who pleaded guilty in the 1985 Air India bombing that killed more than 300 people
KIM BOLAN
CanWest News Service
Saturday, August 04, 2007
He may be the oldest Khalistan supporter in Canada and 84-year-old Uday Singh does not mince words when he talks about the struggle for a separate Sikh nation.
Though Singh says he is financially “stretched,” the retired Laurentian University math professor has for years sent a monthly cheque to the family of Inderjit Singh Reyat because he believes the convicted B.C. bomb-maker is “our Nelson Mandela.”
He also gave financial support to Air India bombing suspect Ajaib Singh Bagri during his trial.
Despite Reyat’s guilty plea in the 1985 Air India bombing, Singh believes Reyat was desperate to get out of jail and had nothing to do with Canada’s worst act of terrorism, which was commemorated in Vancouver July 20 with the unveiling of a memorial in Stanley Park.
Reyat’s admission, “it appears to me, is something that was born out of his crying need to get out of jail. His admission is not necessarily a statement of fact,” Singh said in a recent interview at his humble country home near Brampton, Ont. “He is our Nelson Mandela.”
Singh helped arrange the marriage of one of Reyat’s daughters in 2003 to the son of the former Ontario leader of the Sikh militant group Babbar Khalsa as a way of helping Reyat’s family.
“I have every sympathy with the whole family, especially with the mother who has suffered most,” Singh said. “To me, they are like a bunch of flowers, very fragrant and very well-behaved and high-quality people to me.”
Well before Singh immigrated to Canada in 1961, he already believed that Sikhs got a rough ride in India, and he is blunt about his feelings for the Hindu majority there.
“They are our traditional enemies,” he said, adding that Sikhs and Hindus cannot live on the same planet together. “Come on, no, not even as neighbours. Not even in separate countries.”
For 37 years, Singh has run a free school in Toronto, teaching Sikh children history, language and culture. His most famous student was Navdeep Bains, now a Liberal MP. He taught Bains and his wife until a few years ago.
“I have taught many sons of my old students and now even the grandsons of my old students. But it is a good thing. For me it gives me my long life and it gives me my health.”
It was his first book, The Waning and Waxing of the Khalistan Movement, that he believes cost him his Indian passport and the chance to return home.
“I have reason to believe it is this book (that) poisoned them against me and my passport was taken away,” he said.
In it, he outlines his relationship with all the original Canadian leaders of the movement, including those identified in connection with the Air India bombing.
Singh said he helped Talwinder Singh Parmar - the man police identify as the suspected bombing mastermind - escape from India in 1982 after police there had accused him of murder.
He later lost faith in Parmar’s leadership, though he still believes the former Babbar Khalsa founder is innocent in the downing of Flight 182 and the murder of 331 people.
“He suddenly popped up here … he is now dead and he died for the nation … But I was struck with his being unlettered, uneducated - that was striking,” Singh said.
Singh said he offered financial help to the families of Bagri and Ripudaman Singh Malik while they were on trial in the Air India case. Malik’s family declined, but Bagri’s wife took a monthly payment, he said. Both men were acquitted in March 2005 in a verdict praised by Singh.
“No Sikh is guilty of doing that. The Hindu government got it done,” he said, claiming an inquiry in Ottawa will eventually reach that conclusion despite the fact that it has so far focused on a conspiracy by Sikh terrorists from B.C.
Singh believes that Sikhs are entitled to use arms when there is no other way to combat a problem, as the late separatist leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale did before the Indian army raided the Golden Temple at Amritsar in June 1984.
“Whatever the arms are at your disposal, my religion allows me to use them if it is the end of all other means,” he said, praising Bhindranwale as the only real leader the Khalistan movement ever had.
Singh said he doesn’t understand the recent controversy over portraits in temples and parades of Sikh assassins described as martyrs because they killed political opponents in India. The portraits have every right to be on display in Canada, he said. “They did it for us. They punished the evil-doer, which is heroic,” he said.
The Sikh separatist movement in Canada will rise up again, Singh said, referring to the title of his book.
“It is not dead at all,” he said. “It is waning now, only to wax. It is like you are in a swing - you go down and up again.”
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b from 
Made Friday, 10 of August , 2007 at 8:32 pm
And Thats what she said!
Kala Brampton from
Made Saturday, 11 of August , 2007 at 4:41 pm
Thats she alright
RAJINDER from 
Made Saturday, 11 of August , 2007 at 11:42 pm
Im glad he said the khalistan movement will rise again……IN CANADA… idiot
talk about the biggest threats to sikhi- people like this will forever comprimise the religious tolerance, and the beauty of my dharma and idiots will defend this krodh
shinda, how many times will laugh it off or say “OHH MAN I WISH HE DIDNT SAY THAT’— when will you realize that maybe its not a slip of the tongue and these PEOPLE ARENT DEFENDING SIKHI BUT DIGGIN IT TO A HOLE
This guy is definitely an idiot. I have Hindu friends who I’ve tied turbans on and brought to Gurdwara. Because they are learning about the Guru and appreciate Gurbani. So appearantly we can live on the same planet and actually get along. If this guy wasn’t an idiot he would know that Sikhs are tolerant of all people. That’s the foundation of our Dharma.
Rajinder from
Made Sunday, 12 of August , 2007 at 12:08 pm
My god prabhu ive done the exact same thing.
My best friend is a hindu punjabi and i have to tie a pugh on him every single sunday because he finds peace in the gurdwara in addition to his own temple.
this hate stems from thw worst type of anger seen in sikhi. And people like shinda will continue to downplay the actual words of this idiot by saying….
‘its comprising the movement’
This is completely idiotic, and im tried of people asking me why my religion is violence
i tried of people asking me why we believe in death and anger
i tried of people asking why we are hypocritical…
if we seek vengeence from the hate shown in 84- then why the hate would we repeat the same hate? Its hypocritical, and its a never ending circle of lies.
PRABHU SINGH- I thank you for every word. You are truly and inspiration, and leaders like yourself will be the ones who wil carry the true sikh dharam to where it needs to be, and beyond this hate and anger.
balzey from 
Made Sunday, 12 of August , 2007 at 1:38 pm
maybe we should leave rajinder and prabhu singh alone….
…get a room u two…
Kala Brampton from
Made Sunday, 12 of August , 2007 at 7:50 pm
it s not the hindus that have caused us great pain and sabotage, it is the fear behind every human being that cause us to act the way we act. I am not a behavior specialist nor i give a damn about such studies but by understanding few things about my self i came to the conclusion that we have so many defense mechanisims and techniques to deal with situations which involves the other person or community. THE OTHER GUY is the magic word. As long as our minds have that other guy and that other will always have something that he did that will make you cautious around that person. In everyday life, we have built in acts to deal with different people. We will act different with kids than seniors, we act different around blacks than whites. Similarely, Majority communities in India have different prespective of Sikhs. They are fed with negative information about Sikhs. Back in days, they were doing protests calling us a vicious, heartless people because we like violence. We all know that Sikhs are not violent people even though we may “act” like violent people. The only in sikhi is among us in front Guru sahib ji’s eyes and in his darbar. We act so generous around others, like we have fallen from the freakin heaven. When the predator attacks the herd of prey, he/she makes the herd run in many ways and choose the best and easy meal. We have been seperated by the predator and the predator is so smart that he won’t let us re group again. WHY NOT?? because SINGHS DO NOT TRUST SINGHS. THE FEAR OF LOSING MY POWER OR FOLLOWING A COMMON DECISION IS HARD FOR ALL OF US.WE ALL THINK LIKE WE ARE SAINTS AND IF ONE DOES NOT LISTEN TO MY WORDS, HE CAN GO TO HELL CAUSE I M STARTING MY OWN JATHA AND OPENING MY OWN GURUDWARA. THE WORD “GRAND OPENING” OF A NEW GURUDWARA MAKE ME SICK BECAUSE ITS SOLE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE A PROFIT RATHER THAN SERVE THE COMMUNITY. In a Summerday, i can go to any park in rexdale and see APNE BABEH sitting in parks like some herd of white bufflos sitting in a jungle. 50 men sitting under one tree does not bother me, but those 50 men can easily afford a community centre or Sikh leaders can build a common place for seniors to hang out and have their leisure time. BABEH have drinking problem as well so this one flaw keep them sitting under the trees like white bufflos cause all you see is white PUGS in a massive group.
MY POINT OF THIS PAINFUL WRITINGS (FOR THE READER)IS THAT WE SHOULD STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR OUR OWN TROUBLES.TRUTH IS THEIR IS NO OTHER ACCORDING TO BANI. IF MAJORITY COMMUNITIES IN INDIA TREAT SIKHS LIKE DIRT AND CREATE SPECIAL PROGRAMS (RSS, BUJRANG DAL, SHIV SAINA ETC,,,,)TO ELIMINATE OUR IDENTITY,,IT IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME HERD, WE ARE BROKEN AND CANT TRUST EACH OTHER’S COMPANY. WE LOVE RSS’S FAMOUS VISITS TO OUR POLITICAL CAMPAGINS AND KISS THEIR SHINY HEADS FOR GOOD LUCK..GOOD LUCK IN DESTRYING OUR OWN FOR FEW SECONDS OF FAME AND POWER…
WE MUST GET TOGATHER, YOUTH HAS THE POWER. WE SHOULD NOT WATSE TIME AND START TRUST EACH OTHER LIKE BROTHERS. I BEG THE YOUTH TO STAY COOL HEADED AND THINK WITH LOVE RATHER THAN ANGER IN MINDS. LOVE IS BIR RAS. FORGIVE ME FOR MY BROKER”TUTTI FUTTI” ENGLISH.
WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
Kala Brampton from
Made Sunday, 12 of August , 2007 at 7:57 pm
***THE ONLY VIOLENCE LEFT IN SKIHI IS DISPLAYED IN FRONT OF GURU SAHIB’S EYES, IN GURU SAHIB’S DARBAR. GHAGGA FIGHT, CHAIR FIGHT, MONTREAL COMMITTIE FIGHT, DIXIE GURUDWARA FIGHT, MALTON FIGHT, SIMRANJIT’S CREW FIGHTIN BADAL’S CREW,,,TRUE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD,,,MY SIKH WARRIORS…..SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME.
CORRECTION FOR THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS** BEING CARRIED AWAY
WE CAN’T EVEN WIPE OFF THE KEYS ENEMIES OF SIKHS YET WE LOVE TO KICK EACH OTHER’S ***..HAHA WE FIGHT WITH THE FLOWER VASES THAT ARE FRONT OF GURU SAHIB’S PALKI.
Dildeep Singh Mand from
Made Sunday, 12 of August , 2007 at 9:06 pm
how is he an idiot, because he doesn’t hide the truth in sikhi, that we are supposed to be sant sipahis…how does his article have anything to do with the way he treats hindu people…hes a family member of mine and he has the utmost respect for hindu people..not the gov’t of india but thats a different story…dont talk **** if you dont know ****
Dildeep Singh Mand from
Made Sunday, 12 of August , 2007 at 9:06 pm
what the hell is this france business…Dildeep Singh Mand from CANADA
Sorry for generalizing the man, everybody has good qualities and he did state truthfully that we are to be saint soldiers. The following statement however is pretty dumb:
““They are our traditional enemies,” he said, adding that Sikhs and Hindus cannot live on the same planet together. “Come on, no, not even as neighbours. Not even in separate countries.””
A Sikh’s traditional enemies are ‘lust, anger, greed, false pride, and attachment.’ Tyranny and injustice are also our enemies, these qualities have historically manifested with Muslims and Hindus causing injustice to Sikhs, but that still doesn’t make Hindus or Muslims our enemies. If you’re going to talk to Kim Bolan why make us look worse?
We all make mistakes and maybe he’s not a genuine idiot, but there certainly are some full blown idiots in Canada, the people who’ve put my last name and the pride of the panth on watch lists.
Balzey, using your balls to do the thinking for you, won’t help you much in life. This is the point I think Rajinder and I have been making that the macho, violent, idiots are making us all look bad. I don’t know you, I’m only attacking your sentiments, I honestly think we could all get along. Seriously what’s the point of arguing here? Why not have a constructive dialogue?
Prof. Uday Singh is quite the character. Shinda your write up sums him up perfectly. But one thing that should never be overlooked is the amount of seva he has done. Nobody here can say they have done as much seva as him, in terms of doing parchar and teaching gurmukhi, punjabi, lareedar etc. Anybody who lives in Toronto can attest to this.
Rajinder from
Made Tuesday, 14 of August , 2007 at 2:57 pm
Professor Uday Singh did not do seva for anyone or anything.
I live in Toronto (actual toronto, not brampton) and Uday Singh makes a mockery out of sikhi.
Violence is not accepted in sikhism, and sant soliders excuse is so primitive and shows peoples basic understanding of guru granth sahib ji.
His seva was to install krodh, lobh, moh and ahankar to children and impressionable youth.
To so many people, this whole violence is an ego thing. Its the fact that SELECT people did something to us (that never affects any of us personally) and we want some sort of vengence for that. The fact of the matter is, this ahankar is what has held sikhi hostage for the last 20 some years.
Prof. Uday Singh is a hateful idiotic person. He has no respect for anyone. Ask people who really know the springdale area knows lots of stories about this guy. He has kicked kids out of his “school” (and i use that term loosely) because his parents may have connection to the indian government and army.
Prabhu ji said it the best, this violence is idotic, it is anti sikhi and it appeals to this kids in the west who to them its all about a pissing contest.
So many innocent good sikhs died because of this ****. Our dharam has gotten such a horrible wrap because of this violence.
I would think that people who use sikhi as a means to justify their krodh would not be accepted by sikhs, but then again the kids these days dont even understand the dharam itself.
Amneet from
Made Thursday, 16 of August , 2007 at 9:35 pm
I havent read to many of the posts below… but one thing i often find concerning is how people fall into the trap of labeling this a hindu vs sikh conflict or a hindu-sikh issue…. the khalistan movement is a about liberation… liberating the oppressed, regardless of religion… sikhi doesnt preach liberating people based on religion…. the movement of the 80’s was a movement to liberate a people who were subordinated… not by HINDUS or as a result of HINDU TYRNANNY… but because of the twisted ideology of the caste system and brahmin classes…. which can also be viewed through the scope of labeling the exploiters as the elitist… bourgeoisie… upper class… power hungry tyrants….
and amongst these individuals were those who made claims of being SIKH… HINDU… and perhaps even MUSLIM…. but then again both sides… the exploiters and exploited…. transcended the boundaries religion…. its true that Sikhs AND HINDUS were OPPRESSED… and that both “SIKHS” and “hindus” OPPRESSED
I can agree with the fact that Sikhi was specifically suppressed in punjab at that time… but so were various hindu liberation movements…. the naxals…. nagaland… assam… and the muslims in kashmir…. but the question is why sikhi?…. Sikhi was viewed as a threat because it was/is recognized as inherently being a form of liberation theology…. that both Hindus and Sikhs began to appreciate… it was a foundation for agitation inspiring renewed calls for freedom and social justice… it was incense which awoke the people from living with their eyes closed…and this is what scared the minority of dogs who ere use to having a firm grasp on the weak…. taking the sikh and hindu farmers grain for cheap prices and selling it at costs that allowed them to maintain their palaces and mansions…
Now… what went wrong with the movement… Indira Gandhi… and the Indian Govt… in their devilish ways learning from their predecessors aka the british… hey understood power of a concept called divide and conquer…. therefore… they manipulated the true understanding and meaning of the movement… by dividing the hindus and sikhs… wit the creation of a new state… along with mass propaganda on the media…. its also no secret that the indian govt infiltrated the movement… and preached hatred towards Hindus…. along with planned bombings and killings of Hindus and Sikhs… pitting them against eachother…. eventually misguided youth… on both sides… who were guided by manipulation (and still are)…. lost focus of the true enemy (the rich elite..minority)…. and redirected this misguided frustrations against their own… their comrades… and labeled their enemies by religion…..
Its unfortunate… and quite evident today… that sikhs and hindus maintain a phobia of one another…. however… we as sikhs must recognize that not every Hindu… is a lover and supporter of Indira Gandhi… or an agent of RSS, RAW, Shiv Sena.. or Bajrang Dal…. nor does their religion have anything to do with the oppressive nature of the elite… it in fact has as much to do with their religion… as the Khalistan movement.. has to do with indiscriminate hatred towards hinduism or hindus….
Rajinder from what i have read in this thread… i can understand your frustrations with the wrap Sikhism has gotten because of the movement…. however…. i believe that you must be as weary of falling victim to the divisive nature of the forces that were the original targets of the movement…
to condemn the movement… based on what it became… versus what it was are 2 different things…. the movement no doubt became an all out war and a blood bath on BOTH sides…
with SIKHS killing SIKHS…. HINDUS killing HINDUS…. SIKHS killing HINDUS… and HINDUS killing SIKHS…
but the manipulation of the original movement which was a peoples movement… an uprising and call for justice by oppressed people… on the foundations of Sikh Liberation Theology… regardless of whether they were Hindu or Sikh… cannot be condemned nor can the leaders who led the original movement… only later to be hijacked by opportunist…
lets just take a minute to think about it…. why is it that Sikhism was criminalized by the elites while Sikhs fought on both sides…. and hinduism angelized while Hindus fought on both sides as well…….. its simply because Sikhism posed the biggest threat to destablizing an unequal…. unjust… murderous system… it was because Sikh leaders revived Sikhi and used it to inspire all people regardless of race, religion, caste or creed to seek justice for atrocities which had been committed against them… and….Hinduism was put on a throne… because it had already been hijacked and manipulated to a point that all elements of liberation had been removed…
Rajinder I can agree with you that its unfortunate that current movement for Khalistan has def been hijacked and fallen victim to the manipulation i have spoken of… todays movement… has become one based on anger.. and revenge… against a non-existent enemy…. and Hindus have fallen victim to labeling the Khalistan Movement.. its TRUE leaders.. and its original goals as something it clearly is not…… while the elite and exploiters enjoy the fruits of our blood…
the current crises is of Interpersonal Violence… where we the exploited have been pitted against eacho ther…. while failing to recognize the true enemy is without religion, caste or creed.
Hindus Sikhs Muslims Jains Buddhist, etc…. we must all unite… and recognize that our struggle is one and the same….
and Sikhs must realize that Khalistan is not for the liberation of Sikhs… or a Sikh Homeland… but for the Liberation of ALL oppressed people… and Homeland Founded on the Principles of Sikh Liberation Theology.
Now before i end… i apologize if ive offended anyone… or gone off track… or havent made sense in certain areas… and i admit i didnt proof read my work…. so i welcome any responses… and will do my best to clear up some of my statements soo they arent taken out of context…
WJKK WJKF!
Amneet Ji your pure ideals for Khalistan, is what I think of for the Khalsa Raj. Where Sikhs work for justice and assist the oppressed people everywhere.
Guru Gobind Singh said “Raj Karega Khalsa!”
Somebody else said “Khalistan Zindabad”
One statement is uniting the other is dividing. We can all unite with the Khalsa, but not everybody is okay to unite under the banner of Khalistan. Even if there was a Khalistan, I’d likely never move there, I can’t handle the current level of pollution. I think that’s the first step for a Sikh homeland in Punjab, ensuring that there is a Punjab for the future.
Rajinder from
Made Saturday, 18 of August , 2007 at 1:28 pm
Hello Ameet,
You raise some good points. But I wanna ask you a couple of questions, just so I understand your point of view.
Now the idea of a seperate state was an idea that has been around for decades. It was never a violent movement, it was never something that called people of one religion to go up in arms.
In fact, along the lines of what you were saying, the idea of a seperate nation, was that of one that can bring peace to the forgotten. I remember my father telling me that a seperate nation was for all Punjabis, be them hindu or be them sikh. This (and still is today) expanded to Haryana, and Uttar Pradesh.
basically, many people felt no matter their religion, that northern parts of India, stemming from Kashmir, that were being oppressed as you said.
I am still against this because in sikhi I dont believe we have ANY alligance to a peice of land. I dont believe we should loose the blood of so many young innocent kids, because the elders taught anger and greed to them. I think if you believe in miri-piri, you realize that all of our goals can be accomplished through peaceful and political ways.
However, I have NO problem with those who may want what I explained above, as it is their mann.
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HOWEVER,
I ask you WHY did we fall victim to the hatred then. If the Indian government supposedly infiltrated the movement to sabotage it, then why as sikhs, did we not see past this. Surely our religion would have shown us the right path.
The fact of the matter is, religion is and was completely ignored in this movement.
Tell me, why sikh youth, know more about Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, then ANY OF OUR GURU’S?
WHY IS THAT, SIKH YOUTH CAN PRAISE THE NAME OF THIS MAN, who in your words got away from the true meaning of this seperate state— but that youth cant even name our Guru’s???
Why do they praise a person who divided (even if u think that divide is necessary) but dont care to learn about a person whom united like our Guru’s Tegh Bahadur Ji, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji???
Is it because we live in the kalyug?
READ THIS QUOTE AND TELL ME HOW, HOW IN GODS NAME WE CAN IGNORE THIS SIGN…
Guru Ji talks about Kalyug….
Those who act like tyrants are accepted and approved - recognize that this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1||Pause||
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Please ameet ji, how can we accept someone like this as a sant of our religion, and have the young know more about him then what our Guru’s did…
Do you now see what this movement has done? Why this movement has skewed the true meaning of Sikhi?
Looking forward to your comments Ameet Ji
PS- Prabhu Ji, I really enjoy your blogs/pictures, very entertaining, very spiritual…
Jag from 
Made Tuesday, 21 of August , 2007 at 4:58 am
Uday singh has made some very good points
but i don’t think hindus are our enemies, the brahmins who try to undermine sikhi, because they see it as a threat ARE but this should in no way generalise an entire dharam.
One thing i admire is his uncompromising stance. In the years gone past we have seen many sikhs give up due to negative public opinion and other factors but this dude doesn’t.
People here can do his nindiya however someone of 84yrs and in that capacity has a bigger grasp of the issues that sikhs face than most of us do.
On a side note.
Khalistan and Khalsa Raaj are two sides of the same coin. These maps that people produce showing ‘the republic of khalistan’ cannot predict the future, how do we know the kesri nishan sahib won’t be flying over on the laal kila, delhi.
Chulo, Not long left, Vaheguroooo
Amneet from
Made Tuesday, 21 of August , 2007 at 11:06 pm
“I am still against this because in sikhi I dont believe we have ANY alligance to a peice of land. I dont believe we should loose the blood of so many young innocent kids, because the elders taught anger and greed to them. I think if you believe in miri-piri, you realize that all of our goals can be accomplished through peaceful and political ways.”
The movement of self defense in response to the tyranny of the exploiters… resulted in a belief that … justice needed to be sought… now you may believe it could have been achieved through peaceful means.. but you have just raised a good point yourself in stating that generations tried that… however i would like to point that it was with no success… when the machinery of the elite.. builds walls and blockades in front of every attempt to succeed through peaceful means.. the first form of self defense may be non-violent direct action… which we witnessed in the protests and peaceful agitations of the Akalis and AISSF…. however when this non-violent direct action was met with police interrogations and assassinations, it was no wonder that the oppressed resorted to more powerful forms of non-violent direction which included civil disobedience, etc…. however my brother… when this failed and police and government crackdowns resulted in assassinations of not only leaders of the agitation.. but all those that shared their religion, ethnic background… or family name…. with increased tortures of rape and ethnic cleansing… in my opinion armed resistance was justified…
lets just think about it th is way… the psychological effects of public humiliation… along with physical abuse will surely result and might I add justifiably … resistance in its most effective form (as a last resort)… which is arming oneself, and physically fighting back…. if we create a scenario… of an individual who is continuously being sexually harassed…. we may say that they should first confront the individual and assert their rights… but if this request is met with violent name calling and the spread of rumour’s of calling you a **** or wutever… you may attempt to take it to the courts…. but if you find that the judge of the court happens to be the one that is harassing you… you may opt for a better route…. now lets say you decide to organize a campaign… or boycott of this individual by avoiding them… but you find that in order to silence you and ruin your reputation… so that no one believes your claims… they have now started a smear campaign of your entire family and those that surround you or share any characterstic… for example those that wear turbans… this may be hurtful to you and those that have now been included… so those that have been victimized with you decide to organize along with other victims who were previously silent…. so now you decide to organize a public campaign… but the next thing you know… your home and others homes are firebombed… which results in the deaths of many in those homes (including your own mother)…. and those speaking against the sexual harassment are finding that cannot walk home at night… because the sexual verbal abuse has been upgraded to physical assaults and rape… what would you say was a logical and justified form of resistance to this physical abuse… given that the courts are in alliance with the rapes and abuse… which have gone from indirect violence to direct violence against yourself and other previously silent victims….
I would suggest that when individual is attacked in the next rape… they should not resort to non violence, but actively defend themselves… in fact it may be a good idea to attempt to overthrow the system of corrupt courts (which should be protecting you) and replace them with those that are genuine in their efforts to the protect the people…. however, if after numerous attempts you find this may not work… you may decide on another form of non-violent direct action along with armed resistance in setting up your own courts in which you the people are protected… from those that control a corrupt system.
now setting up a new system and attempting to be autonomous.. and NOT reliant on a corrupt system is NOT fighting for land… but for human dignity… the movement in Punjab followed a similar route.. when the courts denied them justice and the police who were suppose to protect where in fact the ones murdering them… they attempted to set up their own organizations, leadership and institutions… through peaceful means… and political (for example anandpur sahib resolution… the supremecy of the Panj Pyairay etc).. however they also recognized while doing this they had to fight off the enemy before the elites could eliminate their work and attempts while it was just being formulated… in also of course to defend the dignity and honour of the ordinary citizen who was being harassed for no reason in particular other than what the elites felt was the crime of seeking human rights.
Now you may feel that defending the people, was throwing our kids away for slaughter for no good reason… but perhaps to stop the intial violence… the political and peaceful methods should have been avoided as well and revolutionaries should have remained silent…. for it is without a doubt in my mind… that the elists and tyrants committed violent acts of murder and torture against children, women and the elderly (not that its any worse than killing a man)before any armed resistance was in place.
“However, I have NO problem with those who may want what I explained above, as it is their mann.”
That is a fair judgment, however i do feel the same way towards those that feel that armed resistance was not okay, as it may be their mann to argue that dying without a fight was much better than defending the dignity of a women who was being raped
“HOWEVER,
I ask you WHY did we fall victim to the hatred then. If the Indian government supposedly infiltrated the movement to sabotage it, then why as sikhs, did we not see past this. Surely our religion would have shown us the right path.”
Firstly to show a sense of doubt the govt infiltrated is very degrading, given the fact they have openly admitted it. Secondly… our religion did show us the right path… however everyone had the ability to seek guidance or to NOT seek guidance… whether they followed it was their doing and nobody elses
“The fact of the matter is, religion is and was completely ignored in this movement.”
That is a very lousy claim given that religion and Sikhi being a form of liberation theology is what sparked a conscious awareness of what oppressive forces were suppressing the people. Attempting to fight back non violently was advocated by religion.. but once that failed no option was left, the words of the tenth master were put into effect and the peopled resorted to armed resistance as a last resort
“Tell me, why sikh youth, know more about Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, then ANY OF OUR GURU’S?”
I can agree that is a problem, however you will find that those who hold the word of Sant Ji true to their hearts are very familiar with the history of the Gurus, and can most often comprehend Gurbani… after all that is what Sant Ji preached.. the importance of following in the footsteps of the Gurus and understanding the words of the Guru… those that know more about sant ji then the gurus… actually dont know much more about him than the gurus…. given the fact they havent even understood the message he was preaching.
“WHY IS THAT, SIKH YOUTH CAN PRAISE THE NAME OF THIS MAN, who in your words got away from the true meaning of this seperate state— but that youth cant even name our Guru’s???”
no those are NOT my words… my reference to those getting away from the meaning was not in reference to Sant Ji… my reference to those whose wordst were taken out of context and manipulated was in reference to Sant Ji.
“s it because we live in the kalyug?
READ THIS QUOTE AND TELL ME HOW, HOW IN GODS NAME WE CAN IGNORE THIS SIGN…
Guru Ji talks about Kalyug….
Those who act like tyrants are accepted and approved - recognize that this is the sign of the Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||1||Pause||
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my understanding of this is that…when the tyrants are in place in the period of Kalyug… which in the context of this discussion would be the Indian Elites, (most often belonging to the Brahmin Caste) the Bourgeoisies, The rich powerful minority…. are oppressing…. and leaders of spiritual signifance (sant ji) rise and challange their dominance and tyranny… individuals will turn their backs on the truth and duty to defend the people against the tyrants… and essentially will bring this line to reality in that when they reject resistance they will be those who accept the tyrants and approve them… giving a clear indication of Kalyug
I agree Raj… we cannot ignore the word of the guru.. and we must as Sikhs always be on our toes against this period of Kalyug… we must go against its tide… and we must not allow the Tyrants and Oppressors to be approved… we MUST resist… and free ourselves from the shackles of Kalyug… As the Sikhs of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji offered resistance to the tyranny of the Mughals .. who were also at a point in time accepted and approved as tyrants…by those who were swallowed by the shadow of Kalyug… However… th e Sikhs of the Guru prevailed and stepped out from beneath the fog of the Iron Age… and resisted…. whether you agree or not …. the Sikhs of today.. must offer that same resistance and understand the words of the Guru… and the history of the masters…. and we must not fall victim to Kalyug.. a period in which “Those who act like tyrants are accepted and approved”…
because the Gurus Sikh is Liberated…..
Dildeep Singh Mand from
Made Saturday, 25 of August , 2007 at 3:49 pm
i talked to him about this…and hes been interviewed about it on the radio…lots of what is in the interview was changed into what she wanted…he said to me he never even once said anything about nelson mandela
of course he’s an evil man…what kind of good person teaches how to read Gurbani and how to respect Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee
hes very nice and respectful to anyone who treats him with respect
go meet him…be kind to him and see how kind he will be to you
Amneet from
Made Sunday, 26 of August , 2007 at 2:44 pm
Dildeep Singh Ji… I am sure most of us are smart enough not to trust the corporate media and its goons like Kim Bolan.
I have personally been quoted by Kim Bolan in one of her previous attempts to create mass paranoia and fear against Sikhs. However, Truth is infinite and will always prevail and she has and will continue to fail horribly.
One can certainly disagree and have their own opinions but when someone has lost 7 members of their family due to state sponsored terrorism by india, I UNDERSTAND Bhai Uday Singh’s concerns. Those who have lived in the indian subcontinent and others are also starting to understand how unjust life can get when your a minority such as the Sikhs, Budhists, Jains, Muslims, dalits, christians, etc. During the horrible events of 1978 and 1984, not a single hindoo temple was attacked by Sikhs; however, the holiest of shrines was attacked by the indian ARMY with TANKS, & helicopters. This not only goes to show the workings of the tyrant indian gov’t but also shows how much effort a hindoo must use when coming across a Sikh.
India on many accounts has been seen as a undemocratic state which promotes hatred between the hindoo majority and the minorities. As a result, there are five freedom movements simultaneously taking place in india; in which even the dalits wish to experience soveregnity (dalistan). Sikhs too, should be allowed and WILL be able to experience FREEDOM in Khalistan run by Amritharis.
It would be a BIG blow to india knowing that Sikhs have established Khalistan since its economy will surely crumble especially since Pujab is one of the Richest nations in the indian subcontinent temporarily being the bread basket of india. Also, the Strength and bravery of Sikh soldiers cannot be overcome as not only the history of india shows but of other nations such as france, england, america, etc.
Raj Karega Khalsa Akhi Rahe Na Koe
Raj Karega Khalistan Bahman Rahe Na Koe
